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Sb2012 Fri 27-Nov-20 22:09:01

Just something that came through in a newsfeed. Don’t know how accurate. Headline said “ Obese people to get the vaccine before healthy 50 year olds.”
What are your thoughts on this? I’m not sure how I feel tbh. I guess it’s proven that obese people are at a higher risk.
However, what about the under 50 healthy BMI teachers, supermarket workers etc I don’t think it is fair to prioritise an obese 40 year old who works from home or doesn’t work at all over a normal BMI 40 year old teacher, supermarket worker or taxi driver

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Greysparkles Fri 27-Nov-20 22:35:19

DH and I would be the last ones to be vaccinated. Like many others we don’t fall into any of the categories. We have followed all the rules and done everything we can to help protect the vulnerable around us. It’s been miserable for us too even if we don’t complain. I have kids at school and a newborn. I can’t help to think is it fair that whilst everyone else gets vaccinated and back to a normal life, we would still be wearing masks, SD and avoiding elderly family members because we don’t have health conditions or are obese

I hear tiny violins playing

stevalnamechanger Fri 27-Nov-20 22:35:25

You can make fake headlines easily ... called clickbait 😂

MercyBooth Fri 27-Nov-20 22:35:51

@Sb2012 I too have followed all the rules. Im child free by choice and part of the reason some places were closed was that kids could g to school.

MadameBlobby Fri 27-Nov-20 22:35:57

So what would your idea of the priority list be then, brain of Britain, and why do you think you know better than the people who have drafted it?

MiddleClassMother Fri 27-Nov-20 22:36:51

Obesity is mostly self caused, treat the vulnerable and key workers first I say.

Lurkingforawhile Fri 27-Nov-20 22:38:12

@rookiemere has said it all for me. The medical don't make judgements on lifestyle etc, it's risk based. If you're lower down the list it's a good thing (I've just heard I might be because covid may be less of a risk to asthmatics than previously thought and I'm pretty pleased about this). They will do their absolute best to get everyone who wants it done ASAP.

Newuser991 Fri 27-Nov-20 22:38:16

They can give to whomever they like. I'll be one of the last in line ergo more time to see how the population react to it before I have it

MadameBlobby Fri 27-Nov-20 22:38:22

Also why have you said you “don’t know how you feel” when it’s clear that you do?

PineappleUpsideDownCake Fri 27-Nov-20 22:38:47

Really? You're envying those with heath conditions who many have spent this year terrified they'll leave kids parentless etc? Wow.

As for obese. I think its those morbidly obese. If you will pay for more psych help due ti childhood abuse and trauma so I can afdress eating disorder. I'd be very greatful.

MadameBlobby Fri 27-Nov-20 22:39:21

MiddleClassMother

Obesity is mostly self caused, treat the vulnerable and key workers first I say.

What about people who are clinically vulnerable with things like COPD or cancer caused by smoking? Are they unworthy as well?

BasinHaircut Fri 27-Nov-20 22:39:24

Do you think that people won’t be able to get back to ‘normal’ on an individual basis until they have been vaccinated?

So the nightclubs will be full of the over 65s and clinically at risk whilst all of the young healthy people stay home waiting for their turn to be vaccinated?

That’s really not how it works.

Poppingnostopping Fri 27-Nov-20 22:39:37

What a nasty nasty headline. I'm a healthy 50 year old, I'm fine to be back of the queue, no interest in pushing past vulnerable people, however they are vulnerable.

Northernsoulgirl45 Fri 27-Nov-20 22:40:27

Well op how will they even know that I am obese? Last time I was weighed at the Doctors I was merely overweight after losing 4 stone.
Unfortunately I have gained much of it due to the stress of dealing with a chronically ill dh and two kids with SEN iand Mental Health Problems.
In the shitfest of a year alone I gained about 2 stone.
I am therefore a carer and have a condition other than the disgusting self inflected obesity so I win any race for a vaccine.
Anyway I am working on my weight again but it ill take years to sort.
Vile thread.

Moondust001 Fri 27-Nov-20 22:40:46

Sb2012

DH and I would be the last ones to be vaccinated. Like many others we don’t fall into any of the categories. We have followed all the rules and done everything we can to help protect the vulnerable around us. It’s been miserable for us too even if we don’t complain. I have kids at school and a newborn. I can’t help to think is it fair that whilst everyone else gets vaccinated and back to a normal life, we would still be wearing masks, SD and avoiding elderly family members because we don’t have health conditions or are obese.

You clearly don't understand a thing. If those who are vulnerable are protected then you won't need to do any of those things, and normal life - which in your case appears to centre around yourself - can resume. If you don't fall into any of the vulnerable categories then the risk of you contracting a serious case, especially given the herd immunity levels that would be rapidly rising, would be vanishingly low - it's already vanishingly low for you. Unlike some of the people you think you should elbow out of the way so that you get a vaccine that you really don't need.

JayAlfredPrufrock Fri 27-Nov-20 22:40:52

Oh bless your sweet little heart op.

Here. Have my place in the vaccination queue.

You are such a good citizen.

KitKatastrophe Fri 27-Nov-20 22:41:19

Sb2012

DH and I would be the last ones to be vaccinated. Like many others we don’t fall into any of the categories. We have followed all the rules and done everything we can to help protect the vulnerable around us. It’s been miserable for us too even if we don’t complain. I have kids at school and a newborn. I can’t help to think is it fair that whilst everyone else gets vaccinated and back to a normal life, we would still be wearing masks, SD and avoiding elderly family members because we don’t have health conditions or are obese.

Your elderly family members would have the vaccine so you could see them.

It is NOT POSSIBLE for everyone to get the vaccine at the same time. Someone has to go first, that doesn't make it "unfair" on those who get it later. Its just life. Its "unfair" that some people have serious underlying conditions which make them vulnerable to covid. Personally I would rather be healthy and wait longer for a vaccine.

(I'm 30 and have mild asthma, I'm sure I'll be in one of the last groups to get the vaccine)

Joditaylorfan Fri 27-Nov-20 22:42:38

There weren't many "thin" deaths in my part of the hospital. Vast majority were obese. It would be fab if they were vaccinated, bloody difficult turning the larger patient on life support machine up-side down for better lung ventilation.

Moondust001 Fri 27-Nov-20 22:42:59

MiddleClassMother

Obesity is mostly self caused, treat the vulnerable and key workers first I say.

Thank God you aren't a medical professional. That is abusive rubbish.

3littlewords Fri 27-Nov-20 22:44:15

Priority list will be based on those who will need NHS intervention the most as it should be. What do you suggest OP? Alphabetical order? Richest first poorest last?

Arthien Fri 27-Nov-20 22:44:29

candycane222

You could argue that this decision is based on cold hard economics. The more people who get sick, the more it costs in NHS spending to look after them. So it makes economic sense to make the vaccine investment work (though presumably risk is calculated as a multiple of [risk of exposure] times [risk of needing a lot f expensive care], IYSWIM)

If it were a purely economical decision then surely no one in care homes would get it but anyone of working age would instead, to allow the majority of people to get back out and safely earn and spend money?

I don’t think that that’s the right way forward, but what doesn’t quite make sense to me is prioritising people who are less likely to have a strong immune response to the vaccine and/or who are statistically likely to pass away within 2-3 years (average lifespan of a care home resident) as the number of vaccinated people would naturally then decline.

It would seem more logical to offer it to those who residents come into contact with instead, so not just care and nursing staff, but anyone who has a loved one in a care home, to ensure that residents can have visitors safely - even if their regular nominated visitor is, for example, a 30 year old granddaughter, who otherwise wouldn’t be eligible for months and months.

Voice0fReason Fri 27-Nov-20 22:44:48

HazeyJaneII

*What are your thoughts on this?*

My thoughts are that headlines like these bring out the worst in people and lead into a murky world of the 'deserving' and 'undeserving' vulnerable.

Exactly this.
The vaccination programme is going to be aimed at protecting the most vulnerable people first so we can reduce the death rate.
Anyone who thinks that is the wrong approach is a pretty sick person because it means that more people will die.

InTheMiddle23 Fri 27-Nov-20 22:44:51

The article mentioned BMI of over 40. That's morbidly obese,

MercyBooth Fri 27-Nov-20 22:45:05

Richest first poorest last

Dont give her ideas.

Bluntness100 Fri 27-Nov-20 22:45:21

For me I want the people most vulnerable to being seriously ill and needing hospitalisation to get it first.

It is not about who is more likely to catch it. It’s about who is most likely to get seriously ill from it. And if that’s elderly, obese, whatever, I don’t care, prioritise them and protect them.

MadameBlobby Fri 27-Nov-20 22:45:39

Joditaylorfan

There weren't many "thin" deaths in my part of the hospital. Vast majority were obese. It would be fab if they were vaccinated, bloody difficult turning the larger patient on life support machine up-side down for better lung ventilation.

Exactly! A clinical decision

It makes more sense to get a £12 vaccine surely than ££££ of ICU time. Nice to know someone like OP doesn’t think I deserve either.

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