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One rule for Bojo...another for teachers

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DRGT Tue 17-Nov-20 18:39:52

Bojo spend 35mins with an infected MP, while maintaining a 2m distance but no mask, and is told to self-isolate.

I spend two hours teaching an infected student, while maintaining a 2m distance but no mask, I am not required to isolate.

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Velvetpeel Tue 17-Nov-20 18:55:17

Because they weren’t actually distancing...

whatisgoingtohappen Tue 17-Nov-20 18:55:35

Yes if you’re a teacher you a. Have to suck it up and b. Should have been social distancing better 🙄.

whatisgoingtohappen Tue 17-Nov-20 18:56:53

(I work in a school (non teaching role) and see first hand the lack of social distancing in bubbles. Not that that is schools’ fault.)

Hayeahnobut Tue 17-Nov-20 19:00:27

Johnson was in a non essential meeting and they weren't 2 metres apart. Also Lee Anderson had symptoms on Friday but was out in his constituency on Saturday. Different rules for them.

I don't know how teachers keep going through all this. The problem is if you speak up the gutter press will make you into the bad guys.

manicinsomniac Tue 17-Nov-20 19:01:26

Are you joking? For once Boris Johnson is actually doing something vaguely sensible and cautious. No need to have a go at this too! Sometimes, I almost (not quite!) feel sorry for this govt!

He can do his job just as fully (was going to say effectively, but ...) from home. So he should. Teachers can't. So we shouldn't. It's bad enough knowing that we could get sent home any day for being within 2m without having to worry about getting sent home for actually following the rules too!

Itisasecret Tue 17-Nov-20 19:02:10

Velvetpeel

Because they weren’t actually distancing...

Neither are teachers. The government are gaslighting parents and making them believe it is possible.

noblegiraffe Tue 17-Nov-20 19:04:23

Teachers are also being told to ignore instructions to isolate by the T&T app and to switch it off in school.

walksen Tue 17-Nov-20 19:04:44

Bit rich considering the comments about "educating the educators" about "social distancing during coffee breaks" - which we no longer have by the way!

TicTacTwo Tue 17-Nov-20 19:09:06

We had a letter from school saying that they have no midday supervisors as they are close contacts for the one who has tested positive. (Staff have apparently volunteered to cover the shifts until the midday supervisors return from self isolation. )

WhenSheWasBad Tue 17-Nov-20 19:09:17

It’s shit. Every time there’s been a positive case in a room I teach in (12 times and counting). I just get told it’s fine because I should have made sure I stayed 2 metres away from everyone.

I’ve now gone from being scared I’ll catch Covid, to being scared I’m the one spreading it (asymptotically).

manicinsomniac Tue 17-Nov-20 19:13:55

Itisasecret Some teachers are! Some of my colleagues are brilliant at it. I've no idea how. I'm worse than hopeless. We had a mock Covid drill last week to help prepare for a case and some people were able to honestly say that they had not been within 2m of any of the children randomly selected from different year groups. I had been close to all of them ...

Arguably, the ones that are distancing are teaching less effectively than me. But, if the drill had been for real, they'd still be teaching physically this week and I'd be stuck back on MS Teams which is worse.

I suppose it's a choice between teaching at 90% effectiveness but, if unlucky, having to go down to 10%. Or teaching safely at 50% effectiveness the whole time. I don't know which is worse!!!

Itisasecret Tue 17-Nov-20 19:16:03

manicinsomniac

Itisasecret Some teachers are! Some of my colleagues are brilliant at it. I've no idea how. I'm worse than hopeless. We had a mock Covid drill last week to help prepare for a case and some people were able to honestly say that they had not been within 2m of any of the children randomly selected from different year groups. I had been close to all of them ...

Arguably, the ones that are distancing are teaching less effectively than me. But, if the drill had been for real, they'd still be teaching physically this week and I'd be stuck back on MS Teams which is worse.

I suppose it's a choice between teaching at 90% effectiveness but, if unlucky, having to go down to 10%. Or teaching safely at 50% effectiveness the whole time. I don't know which is worse!!!

Well they should be appreciative they have classes big enough. We don’t.

manicinsomniac Tue 17-Nov-20 19:16:03

whenshewasbad But don't you have to tell PHE that you were closer than 2m. At which point they send you home?

manicinsomniac Tue 17-Nov-20 19:16:56

Sorry, posted too soon.

I thought that was the point of an independent body doing it, not individual school leadership with a vested interest in lying.

MuddyRose Tue 17-Nov-20 19:21:03

It's a disgrace.

I will be writing to my local MP. Please consider doing the same.

ItsAlwaysSunnyOnMN Tue 17-Nov-20 19:25:31

Obviously the 2m social distancing guidelines were not followed for the whole time and he was instructed by the track and trace system to self isolate

We can’t maintain 2m and haven’t always wear masks As it’s was not deemed necessary hmm (we certainly didn’t at first as we didn’t have enough)

It’s rubbish but I no longer worry like I did

But teachers should be able to wear masks I’m surprised more are not doing so and high school pupils should too

manicinsomniac Tue 17-Nov-20 19:29:23

But teachers should be able to wear masks I’m surprised more are not doing so and high school pupils should too

Agree this is increasingly important but it can make you complacent. I always wear a mask in the classroom except when I'm speaking to the whole class but I'm fairly sure that's not enough to make it okay to sit right next to children and work with them. I tend to think that I'm 'safe' because of the mask. But it's just a piece of cloth. And the child usually isn't wearing one.

SansaSnark Tue 17-Nov-20 19:33:51

manicinsomniac

Itisasecret Some teachers are! Some of my colleagues are brilliant at it. I've no idea how. I'm worse than hopeless. We had a mock Covid drill last week to help prepare for a case and some people were able to honestly say that they had not been within 2m of any of the children randomly selected from different year groups. I had been close to all of them ...

Arguably, the ones that are distancing are teaching less effectively than me. But, if the drill had been for real, they'd still be teaching physically this week and I'd be stuck back on MS Teams which is worse.

I suppose it's a choice between teaching at 90% effectiveness but, if unlucky, having to go down to 10%. Or teaching safely at 50% effectiveness the whole time. I don't know which is worse!!!

Lucky them for having classrooms big enough. I teach in a large(ish) science lab, but there's no way I can keep 2m distance from my larger classes and do things like e.g. write on the board or take the register from the computer. There simply isn't room for a 2m distance between the front of the room and the front row.

And that's one of the biggest rooms in the school!

In my tutor room, there are tables within 1m of the teacher's desk. There's no way to distance unless you were teaching from outside the door!

ItsAlwaysSunnyOnMN Tue 17-Nov-20 19:34:10

Yes agree masks do make you complacent

manicinsomniac Tue 17-Nov-20 19:43:14

SansaShark and ItsaSecret
Yes, some of our classrooms are big enough to be 2m from the front desks. But, even the ones that aren't, the children in the drill were randomly selected. Not front row children. So some of my colleagues are managing to be distant from all the children regardless of where they sit. Whereas I hadn't stayed 2m from any of them, regardless of where they sat!

noblegiraffe Tue 17-Nov-20 19:45:01

But don't you have to tell PHE that you were closer than 2m

Individual teachers don’t get grilled by the school helpline. The head will say that all teachers have maintained social distance so it’s a conversation to have with your head

And it’s not even within 2m, it’s within 2m for more than 15 minutes, so where were you stood in the classroom?

DreamLoverr Tue 17-Nov-20 19:46:44

Same here at my work; I work for the NHS. colleague in same office tested positive but apparently no need for us to isolate

manicinsomniac Tue 17-Nov-20 19:53:40

Ah ok, thanks, Noble I didn't realise that we don't get asked personally.

Isn't it within 2m for 15 mins but within 1m for any amount of time, though? I spend a lot of time sitting next to children. Maybe the mask would count as a protective measure but I doubt it

MissMarplesGlove Tue 17-Nov-20 19:54:11

The government are gaslighting parents and making them believe it is possible

Yup. I feel so sorry for teachers - they are the sacrificial lambs of this government's incompetence.

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