Eight cases in secondary school: what happens next?

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SteveWrong Sun 15-Nov-20 10:28:59

Hi, I know that bubbles don't burst any more, and that only close contacts are sent home, but what happens when we're looking at these kinds of numbers in the last week? Will anything else happen? Is there some kind of trigger point for any different kind of action?

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Matildatoldsuchdreadfullies Sun 15-Nov-20 10:33:32

My dd’s bubble was over 250, and was popped with just one case. To the best of her knowledge she hasn’t even been in the same room as him since March! This was only last week, too.

walksen Sun 15-Nov-20 10:37:39

"Hi, I know that bubbles don't burst any more, and that only close contacts are sent home, but what happens when we're looking at these kinds of numbers in the last week? Will anything else happen? Is there some kind of trigger point for any different kind of action?"

My school had over 20 cases over 2 weeks and 15 staff were off at least 10 of which had covid.

They asked us to clear the windowsills before half term so they could be properly cleaned....

SteveWrong Sun 15-Nov-20 10:40:00

@walksen as I suspected then!

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PeachiceT Sun 15-Nov-20 11:00:08

Class / yeargroup Bubbles do still burst ... plus close contacts at lunchtimes etc

noblegiraffe Sun 15-Nov-20 11:04:00

Probably nothing will happen, apart from more cases.

MarjorytheTrashHeap Sun 15-Nov-20 11:07:54

Currently, it seems to vary very much by setting. Initially, schools contacted PHE and the DfE and were told very specifically what to do. Now there are so many cases both seem to have washed their hands of the matter and leave schools to do what they think are best.

In DH's secondary, close contacts are identified by seating plans and sent home. Initially, when there were more than 3 cases in a year group bubble they isolated the whole bubble but not any longer, just those identified as close contacts in the classroom. Kids are asked who they sat next to at lunchtime etc. No staff members are sent home at all as they are expected to distance from pupils at all times (even in classrooms where the front row of the desks is less than 2m from the front of the classroom where the teacher has to stand!).

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SteveWrong Sun 15-Nov-20 11:08:25

I just wondered procedurally speaking, if there were any triggers etc. with PHE or whoever.

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CelieandNettie Sun 15-Nov-20 11:08:31

Local secondary has 14 cases in one year group. Whole year group has to self isolate for two weeks. Rest of school staying open 🤷🏼‍♀️

SteveWrong Sun 15-Nov-20 11:10:17

Woah! That's a lot in one year group!

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urbanmist Sun 15-Nov-20 11:13:15

We had one year group sent home to isolate after 6 cases in that bubble in 2 days. We have had over 40 cases in the school this term and that’s the only time the whole bubble has gone home. Normally it’s just those who have sat nearby.

Danglingmod Sun 15-Nov-20 11:14:09

8? Nothing.

There are schools in my area (tier 1 before lockdown) with 40-60 cases. Still open apart from close contacts.

Northernsoulgirl45 Sun 15-Nov-20 11:20:46

In our case the bubble was 3 classes. However they only sent home the class where the case was. This was primary
For secondary dd it was close contacts only. Although Secondary have warned us that there could be whole bubble closure or ecmven school closure if necessary

SteveWrong Sun 15-Nov-20 11:21:43

@Danglingmod in a week???

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Smelliethenelephant Sun 15-Nov-20 11:24:39

8 cases nothing will happen, in my DC school there have been more than that in most year groups, and at least 30 cases in year 11.

LindaEllen Sun 15-Nov-20 11:40:20

One of our local schools has just completely closed for two weeks due to 16 positive results spread across year groups and teaching/non teaching staff.

So they've decided to get a professional company in to do a deep clean of the entire school, and have a sort of circuit breaker to stop it spreading round.

It's so disruptive.

DumplingsAndStew Sun 15-Nov-20 11:54:09

We've currently got one staff member and three pupils positive. Two pupils from different years, and one pupil that was sent home as a close contact who has since tested positive.
Only close contacts being sent home here.

timeforanewstart Sun 15-Nov-20 12:12:07

Round here schools seem to go with whole year group for even one case which i think is sensible as they can't be sure who was close to who at lunch and break especially in secondaries or who walked home with who

SansaSnark Sun 15-Nov-20 12:19:04

It does seem really inconsistent. I think in most areas, 8 cases in a week in one year group will trigger the whole year group being sent home.

I think it is looked at on a case by case basis though- so if all 8 are in the majority of the same classes, maybe only close contacts will be sent home, or if there is an obvious source of infection (e.g. all 8 share the same bus, all 8 went to the same party at half term).

If it is 8 across the school, it is likely only close contacts will be sent home, but whole year groups can still be sent home if it is felt to be justified.

DumplingsAndStew Sun 15-Nov-20 12:59:11

timeforanewstart

Round here schools seem to go with whole year group for even one case which i think is sensible as they can't be sure who was close to who at lunch and break especially in secondaries or who walked home with who

I agree that does often seem the most sensible approach. It is, however, not the official advice.

Lifeispassingby Sun 15-Nov-20 13:50:20

Our local infant school has closed for 2 weeks as they have 15 cases since last Monday- 4 by Friday and the rest over the weekend. They cannot staff adequately with so many classes isolating

RuleWithAWoodenFoot Sun 15-Nov-20 13:54:39

This scenario is impossible.

Schools are covid-secure.

RuleWithAWoodenFoot Sun 15-Nov-20 13:57:18

Sorry, should have added hmm

SteveWrong Sun 15-Nov-20 14:09:32

So there's basically no trigger point with case numbers, and even if so many teachers go off, due to the smaller numbers of pupils in schools, the ratios will be ok? This is for secondary, where remaining teachers will just cover others?

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Donewith2020 Sun 15-Nov-20 14:12:48

Yep, officially no trigger point. Just 'close contacts' which is kids who sat directly next to in class and that they remember mucking about at break with. No wonder it's spreading like wildfire in schools.

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