Vulnerable

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scotlandg Sun 15-Nov-20 08:54:29

Hello,
I am clinically vulnerable and just fall out of extremely vulnerable with bad asthma that alters in severity depending on time of year etc. Fostair, montelucust, steroids multiple x year and bad asthma attacks etc. Asthma not currently under control. Do you know if vulnerable asthmatics will get the vaccine? I do always get given free flu jab. Thank you

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scaevola Sun 15-Nov-20 09:03:40

CEV are priority 6 and vulnerable priority 7

A poster did some number crunching based on ONS stats from population by age and a guess at number of NHS staff who would qualify and worked out that there are about 14 million in the queue ahead of the CEV (around a million of them remaining who would not have received it by age).

I have no idea how many people are in the 'vulnerable' category , but as there is currently enough vaccine for 20million on order, I suspect that not all in that category will receive it until further supplies are secured.

That assumes that the vaccine is effective in the elderly and suitable for all this effort with CEV or other co-morbidites (something that has not yet been established)

scotlandg Sun 15-Nov-20 09:42:25

Do you think if the Oxford one works the vulnerable will get? If Oxford one doesn't will they order more of the pizer one? Thank you

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scotlandg Sun 15-Nov-20 09:47:12

I guess it also depends on how many numbers overlap groups? I guess what worried me is I looked at the vaccine list and I didn't see bad asthma on there even though it comes under extremely clinical vulnerability and also vulnerable. Yet not on the list of conditions they have said. But maybe that's not a full list.

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Racoonworld Sun 15-Nov-20 09:52:04

There’s been studies that show people with asthma aren’t as vulnerable as was thought at first so that may be why it’s not on the priority list. Everyone vulnerable will probably be vaccinated at some point but it will be a long time to wait as there are lots more higher priority, in the UK and the rest of the world that need to be vaccinated first. So yes you’ll probably get it but not until late 2021 or 2022.

Racoonworld Sun 15-Nov-20 09:53:39

They will order more but we have signed a world agreement that the most vulnerable around the world will be vaccinated before others here so those lower down in the priority list won’t be getting it soon. Those CEV and most in need should get it soon though and then we won’t need as many restrictions.

ScaredNeedHelp Sun 15-Nov-20 09:54:50

Which list was that? I've only seen the JCVI list which categorizes people in groups but not by individual illnesses (I'm asthmatic and fall into group 7 or so in thought!)

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Anawi Sun 15-Nov-20 10:03:54

ScaredNeedHelp

Which list was that? I've only seen the JCVI list which categorizes people in groups but not by individual illnesses (I'm asthmatic and fall into group 7 or so in thought!)

This us what I understand it to be too. Clinically vulnerable are ahead of healthy 60year olds and younger, but after older age groups and the clinically extremely vulnerable. I watched professor Van Tam giving a vaccine briefing the other day, I'm sure they made reference to the NHS vaccinating 'much the same groups' annually for the the flu vaccine, so I think they're working on those same groups being considered vulnerable, but some more than others obviously.

FourTeaFallOut Sun 15-Nov-20 10:08:12

The UK are first in line for the AstraZeneca vaccine and if it shows good levels of efficacy then I think it will definitely play a part in the vaccine roll out. Although that doesn't necessarily mean that it would super charge the speed of the roll out because there will be an upper limit presented by the logistical challenge of administering the jab, I suppose. I think I've read that we'll find out the results this week.

Are you sure that you are not classified as extremely clinically vulnerable? I thought regular use of oral steroids was a bar for entry? Could you ring someone like asthma uk and see what they say?

doodleygirl Sun 15-Nov-20 10:10:10

You are asking a question which the Mumsnet cohort can’t answer, it’s all guess work. For the minute we will just have to wait and see.

midgebabe Sun 15-Nov-20 10:13:35

I am confident you will get the/a vaccine
I am much less sure about when you will get it and I suspect it's unlikely to be in the first tranche

Storyofcats Sun 15-Nov-20 10:20:34

You'll fall under the vulnerable group. You'll be offered it eventually but it will take some time to get enough doses so it's not going to be for a while.

planningaheadtoday Sun 15-Nov-20 10:27:41

I'm exactly the same as you. Same meds, same routine, same poor control and steroid use. I've been told by my doctor to do everything my power not to get covid. Asthma UK put me at high risk and so does my doctor. But despite this I'm still in the CV category and not the CEV.

My covid age is 71. I'm in my 50's and then add various points to get a risk age for covid.

The risks for poorly controlled asthmatic (with our combination of meds) dying are still lowish, but the need for assisted breathing in hospital is high. It come out at about a 1/3 chance of needing ICU.

I'm going to call my doctor next week and discuss where I need to be on the list. But given that extremely poorly people don't get CEV I don't think I will either.

We will get the vaccine, I estimate by February/March at the rate they can roll it out. If the first vaccine is not available then the second Oxford one should be available by then to carry on the programme.

YeOldeTrout Sun 15-Nov-20 10:28:46

This is the DM version of list of priority for getting the vaccine

In UK:
1.4 million people work for NHS, of whom about 1/3 don't have a clinical role, so call it 1 million would get jab.
Persons age 65+ (that covers the care home residents) = 12 million

Dunno how many social care workers there are, but saying total = 14 million before the clinically vulnerable under 65s sounds about right, rounded.

OP hasn't said how old she is.

scotlandg Sun 15-Nov-20 11:38:26

I am 35, sorry forgot to post that bit. Even a mild unnoticeable cold gives me bronchitis. But yes despite all the above meds I am still under venerable. I've had asthma attacks at home in last year and then gone to doctors. To be on list you need to have gone to the hospitals. I was too afraid to go to the hospital due to the covid risk. Doctor was annoyed I hadn't called ambulance. But this all means it would be classified as clinically vulnerable rather than extreme clinically vulnerable. So do you think then hopefully I would be in section 7 to get the jab? I don't mind waiting. Is just I am afraid and I just want to have at some point to be able to not be so afraid anymore.

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scotlandg Sun 15-Nov-20 11:43:14

I am also registered at the doctors as a carer (unpaid but get carer allowance) for someone disabled if that makes any difference?

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Mindymomo Sun 15-Nov-20 12:19:43

I think if it will be down to your doctor to decide who will get the vaccine, that you would be in line for one of the first tiers. If there is going to be more than one available, your GP will make the decision which will suit you better. My son has asthma, but is well controlled, he hasn’t even had his flu jab yet as doctors have cancelled his appointment.

YeOldeTrout Sun 15-Nov-20 12:48:35

Come to think of it, some of the care workers, NHS staff & > 65s will refuse the jab. For whatever reasons they have. So probably more like 10 million to get thru before the under 65s CV folk would be prioritised.

If the vaccines become available at different times & the govt has bought 60 million doses, I guess there will be waves of vaccine programmes coming out. It will be a big talking point in news media which priority group gets which vaccine version... it's even possible the early vaccines won't be effective enough for age 70+, so the 70+ may get bumped down the priority list & under 65s could move up for certain vaccines.

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