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Data and analysis thread, started 12 November

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NoGoodPunsLeft Thu 12-Nov-20 21:00:04

Previous thread here:

Data and Analysis Thread, started Oct 29

Regular lurker but I frequent poster, didn't want to lose the threads.

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AnyFucker Thu 12-Nov-20 21:03:59


FATEdestiny Thu 12-Nov-20 21:05:26

From the end of last thread...

Are universities doing their weekly testing on a Monday?

The university of Nottingham are publishing daily figures, not weekly:

Firefliess Thu 12-Nov-20 21:23:38

Thanks for the new thread

RishiMcRichface Thu 12-Nov-20 21:26:41

Big jump in the number of cases today.

Piggywaspushed Thu 12-Nov-20 21:32:48

Thank you!

GetAMoveOnTroodon Thu 12-Nov-20 21:40:01

A good graph from RP showing the downward trend in Liverpool with tier 3 and mass testing dates shown

Cantaloupeisland Thu 12-Nov-20 21:47:59

563 deaths today, not much less than yesterday

Augustbreeze Thu 12-Nov-20 21:57:23

Can I ask, are there figures anywhere for how many people have actually died of other causes within 28 days of a positive test?

I just want to be able to refute the deniers! I'm sure the figure is a drop in the ocean compared to the 50,000+, but would like to be able to quote it!

Or is it tricky because how do you know if Covid caused the (eg) heart attack or not?

RedRedRobinBobbin Thu 12-Nov-20 22:02:18

I think if they die within 28 days of a covid positive then they are counted in the numbers. I had an older relative with end stage cancer who died in the first wave. He caught covid in hospital but his death certificate said covid, no mention of the cancer.

Firefliess Thu 12-Nov-20 22:11:13

@Augustbreeze You can look at the numbers who have Covid listed on their death certificate as the cause of death. I think it's 60,000 plus - so actually higher than the numbers dying within 28 days of a test (mainly due to lack of testing early on in the spring, and to a lesser degree people dying from Covid after more than 28 days). It's published by ONS.

Madhairday Thu 12-Nov-20 22:18:42

Thanks for the new thread.

Augustbreeze Thu 12-Nov-20 22:18:51

Yes sorry I didn't mean within 28 days did I (doh!)

Thanks @Firefliess. However the 60,000+ is those with Covid as one of the causes of death, isn't it?

I want to find out how many got "run over by a bus" (or whatever) within 28 days of a positive test so it was counted as a Covid death. Yes, that's what I should have asked in the first place, apologies!

PatriciaHolm Thu 12-Nov-20 22:19:45


From ONS -
"•Of the deaths registered in Week 44, 1,379 mentioned “novel coronavirus (COVID-19)”, accounting for 12.7% of all deaths in England and Wales; this is an increase of 401 deaths compared with Week 43 (when there were 978 deaths involving COVID-19, accounting for 9.1% of all deaths).

•Of the 1,379 deaths that involved COVID-19, 1,196 had this recorded as the underlying cause of death (86.7%"

ListeningQuietly Thu 12-Nov-20 22:36:14

BigChoc says Hi
but is having much too much fun in her real world to be back in a hurry smile

MRex Thu 12-Nov-20 22:41:12

Look, I made a prison for @AnyFucker's .

@FATEdestiny - thanks, good to know. Shame it isn't that.

Augustbreeze Thu 12-Nov-20 23:11:32

Gosh look what Zoe are doing:

Schools can register as a school, upload what bubbles they have, then parents input symptoms for children and Zoe collates it all and reports to school (who in turn can report to parents).

Schools data may become available, at least to schools. I wonder what the DfE thinks!

NoGoodPunsLeft Fri 13-Nov-20 06:56:09

What a great idea, I wonder how many will take it up. I think I'm going to email DD's school to suggest it

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NeurotrashWarrior Fri 13-Nov-20 07:02:29

NeurotrashWarrior Fri 13-Nov-20 07:04:58

Great idea about Zoe. Unfortunately I suspect the schools that need it the most won't get the parental participation.

NeurotrashWarrior Fri 13-Nov-20 07:06:18

Glad bigchoc is well and enjoying the great outdoors lots.

MRex Fri 13-Nov-20 07:19:39

I want BigChoc to come back here.

cathyandclare Fri 13-Nov-20 09:13:03

Signing in with RP131's slide showing where the deaths come from, 317 from NHS England, 152 from PHE and 45. 34 and 15 from Scotland , Wales and NI.

NeurotrashWarrior Fri 13-Nov-20 10:40:28

This is the second time the guardian have queried the validity of the lateral flow tests.

If used on asymptomatic people I suppose it's better than nothing and will find more cases than only testing with symptoms.

But it's possibly not the holy grail it's claimed to be?

MRex Fri 13-Nov-20 10:43:34

Maybe they forgot they did an article already? Or were disappointed the other papers didn't see it as such a big deal, so trying again?

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