Vitamin D with K

[Feellikedancingyeah]

Anywhere sell a tablet with both of these in one ?

[Augustbreeze]

You need to look at the thread "When will the government say something about vitamin D"

[Rainbowgravy]

I bought some from Amazon.

[Feellikedancingyeah]

Rainbowgravy which ones?

[TildaTurnip]

@Augustbreeze

You need to look at the thread "When will the government say something about vitamin D"

I cannot find this through the search. Is it an active thread? Thanks

[ineedaholidaynow]

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4034240-When-are-the-government-going-to-come-out-and-actually-say-something-about-Vitamin-D

[Begonias]

Boots have them, I purchased some for my DD yesterday as she had run out.

[misscockerspaniel]

BetterYou do a Vitamin D + K2 daily oral spray, available from Holland & Barrett, Amazon etc

[DianaT1969]

Holland and Barrett have a spray. Around £10 currently with 1/2 price on 2nd. Called BetterYou or similar.

[DianaT1969]

On the other thread a poster said rather flippantly, that the NHS has always recommended people take a vitamin D supplement in winter. They miss the point. We are talking about deficiency. Perhaps 40%of the population (if similar to the figure in US). Taking a daily dose meant for winter top up of someone who has regular levels IS NOT a loading dose that will bring levels up from deficiency. We are in the midst of a pandemic. Lots of countries including India and Ireland researched the vitamin D link early in lockdown and published results that suggested people who weren't vitamin D deficient fared better than those who were. The UK government haven't published any significant data on this. Despite having 40,000 blood samples of Covid casualties to compare. This Boston research comes hot on the heels of a similar European one.
I screenshot a Twitter announcement from the official NHS website around May stating 'Taking a vitamin D supplement is not beneficial against Covid'.
Scandalous. The NHS must have been aware that millions are deficient.
Blood tests, loading doses and ongoing education on food, sunshine and supplements.

[JS87]

Too late for sunshine to have an impact now till next spring

[Feellikedancingyeah]

Found one

[CalmYoBadSelf]

@DianaT1969

On the other thread a poster said rather flippantly, that the NHS has always recommended people take a vitamin D supplement in winter. They miss the point. We are talking about deficiency. Perhaps 40%of the population (if similar to the figure in US). Taking a daily dose meant for winter top up of someone who has regular levels IS NOT a loading dose that will bring levels up from deficiency. We are in the midst of a pandemic. Lots of countries including India and Ireland researched the vitamin D link early in lockdown and published results that suggested people who weren't vitamin D deficient fared better than those who were. The UK government haven't published any significant data on this. Despite having 40,000 blood samples of Covid casualties to compare. This Boston research comes hot on the heels of a similar European one.
I screenshot a Twitter announcement from the official NHS website around May stating 'Taking a vitamin D supplement is not beneficial against Covid'.
Scandalous. The NHS must have been aware that millions are deficient.
Blood tests, loading doses and ongoing education on food, sunshine and supplements.

I agree we need more education on this but the NHS cannot afford to issue vitamins for everybody, it would be bankrupt in no time if they supplied everything to everybody and there has to be some personal responsibility with things like this that are so low in cost. Patients are only tested on the NHS when they have symptoms or need adequate levels for treatments like some of those for osteoporosis.
I spoke to a nutritionist earlier in the year who recommended using the Costco Vit D as the American ones are higher strength than the UK and he also recommended a higher dose as I am overweight

[DianaT1969]

@CalmYoBadSelf - I agree that the NHS shouldn't have to give out the supplements, we can buy them. But I'm angry that during a pandemic, when there are indications that vitamin D deficiency causes a negative outcome, they should address the problem of an estimated 40% of the population being low or deficient. They should educate people who are about loading doses. The government has had time to research this based on the bloodwork of everyone who was hospitalised. I don't understand why we're reading about studies in Boston and European cities. I read studies carried out in Ireland and India. Where are ours? A vitamin boost is so much cheaper than lockdowns. Cheaper than PPE and accelerated vaccine trials. This is grassroots prevention and reduction of serious cases, potentially reduction of deaths, and it is being spectacularly overlooked.

[DianaT1969]

Thanks for the tip on Costco.

[GingerLemonTea]

Yes

[CalmYoBadSelf]

@DianaT1969

Thanks for the tip on Costco.

I think on a previous thread I have read that the test is quite expensive for the NHS so it would be better for people to assume they are low and treat themselves. That's not a medical view though, just someone on here.
I was tested myself some years back and, after a summer of reasonable weather and 2 holidays abroad was deficient in October so it is probably better to just treat everyone

The USA apparently recommend 2000u a day where the UK recommend 400-1000 I wonder if it is because they have more people of colour and big cities in the North? Costco Vit D are 2000u and you get 600 capsules for under a tenner. Nutritionist told me he was recommending people took 4000u a day for 8 weeks then reduce to 2000 daily (that was about Feb though so was probably a loading dose as assuming deficiency to start with). As I am overweight he said I should go back onto 4000 over the winter

[DianaT1969]

Thank you for that sensible advice from your nutritionist. It's one of the reasons I feel so passionate about this. I had a Thriva blood test in mid-May and was low. That was after a sunny April when I purposely exposed my limbs for around 30 mins without sunblock in the middle of the day. I already took a one a day supplement with my other vitamins and minerals. I eat oily fish and eggs. I'm white and about a stone overweight. I had a winter sunshine long-haul holiday in January. If my level was low, after taking a standard daily supplement for years, how many other people are??

[SallySeven]

I take a supplement. I am still trying to get sun around 1 pm for the next couple of weeks while there is a little power left in it!

I try to eat some oily fish and occasionally during winter we'll eat liver or liver pate. (Avoid liver if pregnant.)

I think the public health authorities will be found to have been wanting if there is eventually an evaluation of their response to covid19.

[DianaT1969]

There's also an Israeli study online with the same dramatic findings. Not yet peer reviewed, but the study was over a wide population.

[Keepdistance]

I feel your vit d gets used up when you are ill. So living in a ciry catching all colds will have lower than say devon. Then add the sunlight etc.
Sweden is apparently high in vit d as they supplement.
It would have cost pence literally to add to flour. But uk didnt. Even if it didnt help wuth covid we know it does affect other things like MS etc. Pollution also blocks tge rays and if you look where poklution is highest in Europe. Northern italy.
Maybe at least they could have given the shield/vulnerable and elderly a vit d loading injection.

[Keepdistance]

Does anyone find vjt d trigger migraines.
It seems when i give dp 25mcg he has one the next day

[SallySeven]

Good point about air pollution affecting the ability to make vitamin d on the skin.

One issue I can't find much information on is whether skin oiliness (and showering) affects uptake.
As I age my skin is far drier. I've taken to moisturising before I get my sun in the hope it might help me make the VitD. I know it's found in sheep's lanolin! Lateral thinking or complete idiocy on my part?

[SallySeven]

@Keepdistance
No I personally don't find a migraine connection. Get them for other things though.

[Keepdistance]

Thats really interesting about oiliness. As when i thought i had covid my skin went really dry.
Over 40 struggle absorbing vit d anyway. As you age you feel the cold too so might cover up.

[Goldistheanswer]

I’m sorry if I’m not following this properly but I’ve got huge stress in my life right now so it’s hard to focus. Can someone simplify it please? Do I need to take high strength vitamin D or must it also have vitamin K?