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Alex50 Tue 23-Jun-20 21:26:24

Wow, I was never a fan of lockdown but when you read this, it does make you think what could’ve happened.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/23/pakistan-covid-19-doctors-witness-black-market-deals-in-blood-plasma

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LightDrizzle Tue 23-Jun-20 21:32:10

God that’s terrible.

HairyToity Tue 23-Jun-20 21:36:22

No words.

RickOShay Tue 23-Jun-20 22:08:31

I feel for all of them, especially the medical staff. So terrifying.

MRex Tue 23-Jun-20 22:32:58

That's very bleak reading. It's a cruel disease and awful to think of the pain people are going through.

Legoandloldolls Tue 23-Jun-20 22:40:51

Shocking.

I was asking on here a month ago why the UK was doing badly compared to other places. Time has given that answer

AlCalavicci Tue 23-Jun-20 22:57:42

Thats terrifying , for people to thik that paying what must be months and months of wages for a cure that in all likely hood won't work is so sad.
The poor doctors must be at their wits ends . The gov should be made to pay for what is tantamount to manslaughter

B1rdbra1n Wed 24-Jun-20 00:02:25

Absolutely horrific 😥

Porcupineinwaiting Wed 24-Jun-20 09:00:42

Like you say @Alex50, you are anti lockdown. Why are you now feigning horror at the alternative? What did you think it would be like when people are struggling to breathe and dying and there is not enough healthcare to go round?

Alex50 Wed 24-Jun-20 09:21:20

@Porcupinwaiting to be fair the UK isn’t Pakistan, I don’t think it would have been quite as drastic here but it does make you think, things could be a lot worse.

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Redolent Wed 24-Jun-20 09:36:30

Alex50

*@Porcupinwaiting* to be fair the UK isn’t Pakistan, I don’t think it would have been quite as drastic here but it does make you think, things could be a lot worse.

Texas is now using its Children’s Hospital to admit adults with coronavirus. The state has 85 hospitals

That’s pretty grim in a developed nation.

PomBearsyummy Wed 24-Jun-20 09:46:50

Thats awful. Hardly fair to blame their government though no country could have predicted this outbreak.

LastTrainEast Wed 24-Jun-20 10:21:10

I don't exactly blame their government (they didn't intend this), but it was predicted.

From the very start the experts have said the ideal would be no contact with anyone. Of course that wasn't possible in the real world so every government decided where to draw the line between safety and keeping the country going.

Some were stricter than the UK and some less. We all made our decisions and then kept our fingers crossed that it was enough. I now wish we'd been stricter earlier, but there was no way to know at the time.

A lot of people posted on here to say we were taking it too seriously and some even had protests where they mingled together to prove there was no danger. Good thing we didn't listen to them.

MRex Wed 24-Jun-20 10:26:33

Every country has citizens blaming their governments. In the long run, some will look to have failed in their duties e.g. Bolsonaro in Brasil for just everything he's said, Moreno in Ecuador for imposing cuts while ignoring thousands dying, Trump as well for the suggestion about injecting disinfectant and holding an election rally. Others will look lucky / unlucky. A few will look to have done well. I think it's much too soon and unfair to blame the Pakistan government, for one thing it's their Supreme Court who demanded that the country come out of lockdown.

B1rdbra1n Wed 24-Jun-20 10:41:04

I can see the USA turning into a version of Pakistan 😥

Alex50 Wed 24-Jun-20 11:22:52

The difference is Pakistan have a population of 212 million, 40% live in severe poverty, the UK would never have been as bad as Pakistan.

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Porcupineinwaiting Wed 24-Jun-20 16:00:51

Not as bad in terms of starvation maybe. But as bad as fighting for hospital beds, people lying on the floor of hospital corridors struggling to breath, people driving dying loved ones from hospital to hospital searching for help. Yes it could absolutely have been that bad if we hadnt acted when we did.

Redolent Wed 24-Jun-20 17:19:43

Porcupineinwaiting

Not as bad in terms of starvation maybe. But as bad as fighting for hospital beds, people lying on the floor of hospital corridors struggling to breath, people driving dying loved ones from hospital to hospital searching for help. Yes it could absolutely have been that bad if we hadnt acted when we did.

In addition to the lockdown, we also halted huge swathes of NHS work while implicitly discouraging people from attending hospitals. With the backlog now, I’m not sure the same can be done again.

Alex50 Wed 24-Jun-20 19:41:12

That’s 86 million people in severe poverty, that is 20 million people more than the whole of the UK population, with no NHS, I don’t think UK is anywhere near Pakistan even if we hadn’t gone into lockdown.

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feelingverylazytoday Thu 25-Jun-20 11:37:49

One of the biggest problems in many parts of the developing world is shortage of oxygen, something we take for granted in the UK
www.ecowatch.com/medical-oxygen-poor-countries-coronavirus-2646251520.html?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1

Alex50 Thu 25-Jun-20 15:21:52

Interesting, there is going to be a huge problem in these countries when coronvirus really starts spreading.

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Porcupineinwaiting Thu 25-Jun-20 15:43:49

Yes there is. sad We very nearly ran into problems with the oxygen supply here back in April, incidentally.

MarcelineMissouri Thu 25-Jun-20 16:10:46

@Redolent Texas clearly have a major problem at the moment but just to correct your earlier post, adult patients will be admitted to the Texas Children’s hospital, this covers the Greater Houston area where they could start to exceed capacity in the next couple of weeks. It’s not indicative of the entire state of Texas. This was part of an already existing surge plan. They are not overflowing yet and it does not mean it’s the whole of the state, which I believe has 500+ hospitals not 85.

Not at all disputing that they are clearly in dangerous territory but your post makes it sound like all hospitals in Texas are already overflowing which obviously isn’t the case.

Redolent Thu 25-Jun-20 19:45:36

MarcelineMissouri

*@Redolent* Texas clearly have a major problem at the moment but just to correct your earlier post, adult patients will be admitted to the Texas Children’s hospital, this covers the Greater Houston area where they could start to exceed capacity in the next couple of weeks. It’s not indicative of the entire state of Texas. This was part of an already existing surge plan. They are not overflowing yet and it does not mean it’s the whole of the state, which I believe has 500+ hospitals not 85.

Not at all disputing that they are clearly in dangerous territory but your post makes it sound like all hospitals in Texas are already overflowing which obviously isn’t the case.

Thanks for the clarification.

Keepdistance Thu 25-Jun-20 20:46:27

Would oxford trial the vax there too.
If i were a hcp i would take the chance on the vax rather than a high likelihood of catching it.

Surely too the world is ramping up production of dexamethasone? We are heading towards winter again

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