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itsgettingweird Sat 20-Jun-20 10:32:07

Right now we are at a precarious stage of the pandemic.

We must return to some sense or normality and to do this we must have track and trace up and running and being effective.

People are concerned we are opening too fast and T and T isn't effective.

From what I've seen in MSM the handling of this local epidemic was effective. Immediate mobile testing, track and trace, closure of site for cleaning.

Surely we need to see that we can be open and handle potential outbreaks.

Right now the country needs confidence and to feel they are getting the truth.

So surely keeping outbreaks a secret is counter productive?

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel Sat 20-Jun-20 10:41:57

Who is keeping outbreaks secret or suggesting we should?

sashagabadon Sat 20-Jun-20 10:44:27

itsgettingweird

Right now we are at a precarious stage of the pandemic.

We must return to some sense or normality and to do this we must have track and trace up and running and being effective.

People are concerned we are opening too fast and T and T isn't effective.

From what I've seen in MSM the handling of this local epidemic was effective. Immediate mobile testing, track and trace, closure of site for cleaning.

Surely we need to see that we can be open and handle potential outbreaks.

Right now the country needs confidence and to feel they are getting the truth.

So surely keeping outbreaks a secret is counter productive?

no they are not - what rubbish - yet more disinformation

Matt Hancocok mentioned 2 outbreaks yesterday - Kirklees and somewhere else that I can't remember now - Leicester somewhere I think

Why on earth would they keep outbreaks secret?! It's the exact opposite.
They bring in mobile testing centres and test the locals.

What is your agenda to start spreading this rubbish??

MRex Sat 20-Jun-20 10:44:49

What outbreak was "kept a secret" and on what basis do you think it was secret:
1) No attempt to trace and inform exposed people?
2) Positive test results not included in government stats?
3) You didn't get a personal phonecall to say someone got sick 10 miles from your home?

Waxonwaxoff0 Sat 20-Jun-20 10:45:09

Where are your sources about outbreaks being kept secret?

sashagabadon Sat 20-Jun-20 10:46:38

it think the OP is just someone who is here to spread disinformation with some agenda that I simply cannot fathom.

itsgettingweird Sat 20-Jun-20 10:47:42

Yes Matt Hancock mentioned the outbreak Thursday.

The first case was reported 8th June. He had been called in to chair an emergency meeting day previously.

Yet the first some leaders in the county and residents heard about it was the briefing.

They feel it was kept quiet and people were going about their failing lives not knowing an outbreak had occurred locally. There is real concern about this.

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itsgettingweird Sat 20-Jun-20 10:48:47

Sasha I don't have an agenda? I haven't spread rubbish I've posed a question based on things I've read and heard on various MSM sources.

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itsgettingweird Sat 20-Jun-20 10:51:37

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-yorkshire-cleckheaton-outbreak-meat-packing-plant-factory-a9576396.html

I have chosen this source as it's the Independent so probably the least biased one in papers.

As you can see I've just posed the question what others think based on this source amongst any.

And I have no agenda. For a start I voted Tory and I live on the south coast!

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ClaudiaWankleman Sat 20-Jun-20 10:52:54

If it’s in a newspaper it wouldn’t seem to be being kept a secret.

itsgettingweird Sat 20-Jun-20 10:53:41

And I've actually said I think the way they responded was effective!

Just whether there needs to be more response to local residents. I watched the Salisbury poisonings and felt the PH lady there was really on the ball. And they were extremely open about the state of play.

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LockdownBlues Sat 20-Jun-20 10:54:07

There's an outbreak currently at a chicken processing plant in North Wales. 51 people infected. I was surprised Hancock didn't mention it, but I wonder if the other outbreaks he did name were worse.

I don't think they're being kept secret per se, but track and tracing should be at work in full force so I'd be concerned if people in those areas hadn't been contacted.

itsgettingweird Sat 20-Jun-20 10:54:42

It wasn't mentioned for 10 days. The point local residents have is people found out about it in briefing rather than at a local level when what was happening was known about.

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sashagabadon Sat 20-Jun-20 10:56:48

itsgettingweird

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-yorkshire-cleckheaton-outbreak-meat-packing-plant-factory-a9576396.html

I have chosen this source as it's the Independent so probably the least biased one in papers.

As you can see I've just posed the question what others think based on this source amongst any.

And I have no agenda. For a start I voted Tory and I live on the south coast!

sorry itsgettingwierd if I have unfairly labelled you with an agenda.
There's a lot of bad faith actors on MN and they annoy me - trying to scare others with their fake news - no idea why.

As to the outbreak it was on the Thurs briefing and in newspapers. That is not being kept secret.
I know about them and I live nowhere near and not particualy looking for news of outbreaks.
There really is no conspiracy here.

sashagabadon Sat 20-Jun-20 10:59:48

itsgettingweird

And I've actually said I think the way they responded was effective!

Just whether there needs to be more response to local residents. I watched the Salisbury poisonings and felt the PH lady there was really on the ball. And they were extremely open about the state of play.

yes agreed. and I am sure that systems etc will be getting better with each new outbreak (which will happen)
the local PH person for each area will be on the outlook now and co-ordination between GOV and local PH will I am sure improve.

MRex Sat 20-Jun-20 11:00:15

Everyone is supposed to continue acting as though they and everyone they meet are potentially asymptomatic. It's a concept called social distancing. What are these "local leaders" going to DO with the information? If people want updated latest figures then they can search for them and drill down on their local area every day. The idea that everyone within a radius should be told about a few dozen cases seems crazy, only exposed people need to be told and then summary at the government briefings.

sashagabadon Sat 20-Jun-20 11:01:20

difference with Salisbury is that they could hold open town hall meetings about the poisonings to inform local - that will obviously not be possible with the virus so will need to find other means of telling locals without scaring the living daylights out of everyone.

okiedokieme Sat 20-Jun-20 11:02:07

If the media would accurately report and keep in perspective then publicity surrounding local outbreaks would make sense but they don't - the Leicester "outbreak" is a number of cases connected to one school, the problem is that I know from a friend who lives a few doors from the school that the kids have been in and out of houses, bbq's with neighbours, parties family gatherings etc plus it's an area with some deprivation, multi generational living ... The press don't mention this so it implies the outbreak is generalised rather than warning those in the specific area. There's also a rise in another neighbourhood with high deprivation, multi generational etc and they have sent in a mobile testing unit and are inviting people to be tested.

The problem is that I've heard people saying they won't get tested, won't isolate, none of governments business and best one, it's all a trick. Parties were in full swing last night, must have been 30 cars at my neighbours!

sashagabadon Sat 20-Jun-20 11:02:25

MRex

Everyone is supposed to continue acting as though they and everyone they meet are potentially asymptomatic. It's a concept called social distancing. What are these "local leaders" going to DO with the information? If people want updated latest figures then they can search for them and drill down on their local area every day. The idea that everyone within a radius should be told about a few dozen cases seems crazy, only exposed people need to be told and then summary at the government briefings.

agreed. potential for over reaction to say a small out break in a factory that can be dealt with

Bol87 Sat 20-Jun-20 11:11:58

I live in Kirklees. I knew about the outbreak from friends on Facebook, turns out local GP’s didn’t! The council did though..

There has been a lot of upset online in the local press that we hadn’t been told officially. But from what we now know, it was handled very quickly, track & trace done efficiently & everyone is now isolating. A mobile test centre has been set up as well.

Im not sure what people should do differently from an outbreak in a factory? Hide indoors? The virus is circulating, if you go out, there’s a chance you can catch it at any time! I certainly won’t be living my life any differently. Fingers crossed everyone who should be isolating is doing so!

Redolent Sat 20-Jun-20 11:14:29

Leicester outbreak probably a consequence of Eid gatherings 3-4 weeks ago. Started a thread on this.

mouse70 Sat 20-Jun-20 11:15:41

Agree with MRex. If everyone was doing what was advised re social distancing there is nothing more that local leaders could do with the info. Everyone potecting themselves and families by doing what they have been told. Then, if Symptoms present, request test, isolate if positive

sashagabadon Sat 20-Jun-20 11:17:17

Bol87

I live in Kirklees. I knew about the outbreak from friends on Facebook, turns out local GP’s didn’t! The council did though..

There has been a lot of upset online in the local press that we hadn’t been told officially. But from what we now know, it was handled very quickly, track & trace done efficiently & everyone is now isolating. A mobile test centre has been set up as well.

Im not sure what people should do differently from an outbreak in a factory? Hide indoors? The virus is circulating, if you go out, there’s a chance you can catch it at any time! I certainly won’t be living my life any differently. Fingers crossed everyone who should be isolating is doing so!

I magine they will use what worked/ didn;t work in Kirklees when outbreaks happen in different areas. Although all areas are different /populations different and out break will be different
I am now sure if say there was an outbreak in a care home that the wider community need to know if it is clear who has been / is in the home and all those contacts traced
That will just cause unneccessary panic.

But not a conspiracy of silence - just PH working out as quickly as poss what to do!

ragged Sat 20-Jun-20 12:11:21

People like you are Never confident you are getting the truth, OP. It isn't possible.

countrygirl99 Sat 20-Jun-20 12:19:00

If the 1st case was on the 8th it would probably have taken a few days for it to become apparent that there was a cluster so possibly only a delay of a couple of days delay in official notification. The meeting was probably called once they were sure. I'm no fan of this government but can't see a basis for a conspiracy here.

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