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Bloody lockdown hypocrites and mass gatherings

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alwaysanewlife Wed 03-Jun-20 18:19:47

For months now I have had 'friends' on social media daily posting about how important maintaining lockdown is, saying those who break it are killing people, calling them stupid, hating Dominic Cummings with a vengeance, accusing the government of wanting people to die and that is why they are opening schools. These same people are now encouraging people to go to mass gatherings for Black Lives Matter. I've seen the footage. Those people are not social distancing. Of course they are not. People don't at mass gatherings. That is why they are banned instead of the government saying, 'yeah, you can all meet with several thousand other people as long as you keep 2m apart. That's totally fine.'
This isn't a post about Black Lives Matter - which is a fantastic movement - or even about lockdown. It is a post about me being fed up with sodding hypocrites who have spent months lecturing and hating other people for doing something which they are now encouraging on a mass scale.

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Blue1316 Wed 03-Jun-20 18:30:40

The same people who have constantly criticised what a terrible job the government is doing and will no doubt blame the government when the numbers start to go up again. I’ve seen the pictures and there’s also one planned in my city at the weekend. I was feeling optimistic that we might return to some kind of normality by July / August but I’m preparing myself for a second wave now.

EatDessertFirst Wed 03-Jun-20 18:34:33

There is a protest planned in my town next Friday. Just like the thousands of people in London, there is unlikely to be any social distancing.

I stand by peoples right to protest, but I don't appreciate seeing the social distancing guidelines flouted. Especially when my kids can't go to school. Its the protests that will spread this thing, not my 9 year old sitting at a desk.

alwaysanewlife Wed 03-Jun-20 18:36:27

It's just incredible! How can they not see their hypocrisy? Do they think Covid-19 has a moral conscious and won't infect people there because they are on the right side?

Dominic Cummings must be thinking ' WTF! The entire country hated me for driving in my car, and now those same people are gathering in their thousands, but that's ok..'

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CendrillonSings Wed 03-Jun-20 18:38:21

Because for these people it’s virtue-signalling first, last, and always. The actual issues or the consequences of their actions never enter into it.

MadameMarie Wed 03-Jun-20 19:37:06

EatDessertFirst

There is a protest planned in my town next Friday. Just like the thousands of people in London, there is unlikely to be any social distancing.

I stand by peoples right to protest, but I don't appreciate seeing the social distancing guidelines flouted. Especially when my kids can't go to school. Its the protests that will spread this thing, not my 9 year old sitting at a desk.

I can understand people being angry but this incident has got nothing to do with the UK.

The irony of "Black Lives Matter" protests (which ordinarily is a good cause). How many BAME people will die as a result of the resulting spike of cases because these protesters aren't social distancing and are in mass gatherings? They must know they're endangering peoples lives.

It's okay risking their own life but it's not just theirs is it? Especially if they're young and healthy (as most of the gatherings are) they'll be the ones who won't lose their life. Not so good when they spread it around the inner city and kill those who are actually trying to observe the rules but vulnerable.

noego Wed 03-Jun-20 19:48:17

The hypocrites I believe are also the politicians and journalists barking on about DC for 7 days.
They all looked so well groomed.
There is NO WAY they haven't broken social distancing rules to look so smart and well groomed. Especially Yvette Cooper who was in parliament yesterday without a hair out of place. And I think the woman that does the BBC news at lunchtime has had her roots done, her hair is well trimmed at the back.
In fact Bojo looks like the only one of them all that hasn't seen a hairdresser in 10 weeks. .

alwaysanewlife Wed 03-Jun-20 19:52:29

Yes, we know that the mass gatherings before the proper lockdown spread the virus in those areas. So why would this be any different?

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MadameMarie Wed 03-Jun-20 19:58:04

All the sacrifices for 10 weeks have been for nothing now. What's the point carrying on with restrictions anymore and paying 10 billion a month for furlough just for thousands to crowd together like this?

BackInTime Wed 03-Jun-20 20:03:39

These mass protests are just astonishing. Friends who believe it is too dangerous to go to work or school and are sanitising their post and are joining mass protest gatherings.

BackInTime Wed 03-Jun-20 20:08:51

The irony of "Black Lives Matter" protests (which ordinarily is a good cause). How many BAME people will die as a result of the resulting spike of cases because these protesters aren't social distancing and are in mass gatherings? They must know they're endangering peoples lives.

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This

Watching this on TV is just horrific, sadly more lives and more jobs will be lost and we will all suffer as a result. Also spare a thought for the police who have people shouting abuse (and possibly virus) in their faces while they have to stay calm and just take it.

alwaysanewlife Wed 03-Jun-20 20:19:06

Yes, the silence of politicians and police and all the facebook lockdown warriors and Dominic Cummings haters in the face of this mass breaking of lock down is deafening. Where are the reminders to save our NHS now?

Its the hypocrisy of all those people those months, so sanctimonious, so contemptuous of others for endangering other people's lives and now they are endangering lives on a massive scale and right across the UK?

How can people who are so against children going to school, despite all the evidence about how safe this is, now be so in favour of these multiple mass gatherings of adults, despite all the evidence of how dangerous this is?

It is so hypocritical! I've lost all respect for them! Before I said, well I don't like their tone, but at least they want to keep people safe. Well, not any more they don't. All those posts clearly were motivated by hatred rather than public safety after all.

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MadameMarie Wed 03-Jun-20 20:34:32

Plus the fact that the bulk of these protesters are relatively young and healthy so they're among the least at risk in terms of mortality. The people they inject with the virus on the other when it spreads like wildfire again (including the poor, sanctified, overworked nurses) might not be so lucky.

NaturalBornWoman Wed 03-Jun-20 20:39:28

noego

The hypocrites I believe are also the politicians and journalists barking on about DC for 7 days.
They all looked so well groomed.
There is NO WAY they haven't broken social distancing rules to look so smart and well groomed. Especially Yvette Cooper who was in parliament yesterday without a hair out of place. And I think the woman that does the BBC news at lunchtime has had her roots done, her hair is well trimmed at the back.
In fact Bojo looks like the only one of them all that hasn't seen a hairdresser in 10 weeks. .

I was thinking of emailing the BBC to ask about several female presenters/news readers with very short hair who have been extremely vocal on the DC debacle. Very suspicious their hair hasn’t grown at all in 10 weeks and still looks immaculate.

HeIenaDove Thu 04-Jun-20 01:54:27

Dominic Cummings must be thinking ' WTF! The entire country hated me for driving in my car, and now those same people are gathering in their thousands, but that's ok

Wow MI5 really need to be headhunting you dont they. As you are so sure its EXACTLY the same people why dont you give them a call. Im sure they could do with your obvious expertise during a pandemic.

It reads to me like you are trying to use it to defend DC. Im one of the ones who have posted what i think of his actions on here. But im nowhere near the protests Last time i left my home town was in 2015 and that was for a funeral

user1477391263 Thu 04-Jun-20 02:25:36

I am seeing a lot of "the virus is only spread by people I disagree with."

I've seen a lot of Trump types on Twitter who are now moaning about "looters spreading the virus" yet were very quiet about the spreading that went on a week or two back, when largely conservative protesters were doing their idiotic and selfish anti-lockdown protests (and not even wearing masks!)

I've also got quite a lot of very nice left-wing people on my FB who have spent a lot of time in the past few months shouting self-righteously at people for doing things like spending socially-distanced time outside, letting their children ride bikes or play bubbles in the park.... yet are now rushing to explain to us all that "when we have a second spike of the virus in a few weeks, don't blame it on the protesters!!" Or just saying nothing whatsoever. They also apparently believe that masks are magic and completely substitute for any kind of social distancing.

Because apparently viruses are these little teeny-weeny people with thoughts and feelings, who carefully refrain from spreading themselves when a crowd of people are gathered for a political purposes that the poster approves of.

It's all so blatantly hypocritical and ridiculous. On both sides.

The long-term consequence is that it will be really hard to ask people to engage in any sort of social distancing ever again. Because it's been politicized.

People who were skeptical of lockdown etc. anyway, are already starting to make comments along the lines of "So, you people who have spent the past couple of months scolding people for going out, you never REALLY believed in this, did you? It's so obvious now that it was just an excuse for virtue signaling and was all about having a socially-sanctioned excuse for shouting at people and acting superior to them."

And it's unfair, because social distancing really IS important. But it won't be taken seriously again after this.

In addition, the message has been sent out that "as long as you have a political excuse for not-social-distancing that sounds convincing enough and ticks a few 'identity-politics boxes,' then it will be excused and the police won't stop you and social media won't shame you." And a lot of people are going to start really pushing the enveloped and more and more people will quickly start to find reasons why they, too, need to break the guidelines.

"If people are allowed to break the guidelines to protest, well, why can't I break the guidelines to engage in work? I need the money because I'm not well off, that's social justice too!" "Going to church is important to me too, I think I should be able to bend the rules as well."

Let's hope the scientists are right and that the virus is getting less lethal, because we now have a lot fewer tools available for dealing with any kind of second wave.

Butterer Thu 04-Jun-20 02:32:21

I saw that some people organised a protest in Leeds, and cancelled it at the request of one of the Leeds BLM group founders:

Marvina Newton said, "We know there’s a pandemic going on and mentally and emotionally we are going through it together. What we see happening across the pond, what we see happening in the United States with police brutality all over the world it’s heartbreaking to see racism.

"That we still have to be fighting but I want people to understand that racism has never stopped it’s just now being filmed so we now have evidence of it.

It’s been brought to my attention that a group of young people have organised an event in Leeds in Hyde Park to call Black Lives Matter in Leeds.

“We have a lockdown law, the lockdown law is real.

“We are all outraged we’re entitled to be outraged we are tired of racism and we are tired of everything that’s been going on.

“But we need to be careful that we don’t ourselves killed, arrested or destroy our careers in the process of fighting for equality.”
www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/leeds-anti-racism-protest-called-18355251

Butterer Thu 04-Jun-20 02:33:22

^^ I think that is a very wise response.

alwaysanewlife Thu 04-Jun-20 07:45:46

It reads to me like you are trying to use it to defend DC

Well, M15 certainly won't be recruiting you with logic like that. I think its pretty clear I am calling out hypocrisy. With 82% of the population in a recent poll condemning DC its remarkable likely an awful lot of the people at the BLM protests were also critical of DC. And, as a personal anecdote, ALL the people on my facebook feed were who were furious and vociferous in their critique of DC are promoting and going to these BLM mass gatherings.

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alwaysanewlife Thu 04-Jun-20 07:48:20

But we need to be careful that we don’t ourselves killed, arrested or destroy our careers in the process of fighting for equality.

Good for Leeds BLM!

Much better than the spokeswoman for the London BLM who said on a radio 4 interview 'We can't let a virus stop us.' As if it was just a cold people might catch hmm

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Thirtyrock39 Thu 04-Jun-20 07:54:41

It seems so risky to have these gatherings at the moment that it actually makes me really paranoid and I start thinking they've been secretly arranged to take the pressure off DC and the attention away from the depressing figures due to coronavirus yesterday (I know this isn't true but I bet Boris is relieved)
I also worry the govt can blame this on a second wave rather than things like letting everyone head for the beach etc

grannyhorse Thu 04-Jun-20 08:05:14

It's very worrying. We were warned to stay within the rules of social distancing and only meet up to six people. We saw what happened at Cheltenham. Now we have mass gatherings with no social distancing. Further protests are arranged in London for Saturday and Sunday this week. Would expect the second wave to be here very soon

MadameMarie Thu 04-Jun-20 08:57:06

Further protests are arranged in London for Saturday and Sunday this week.

Why? They've made their point?

Bored students with nothing to do.

alwaysanewlife Thu 04-Jun-20 09:50:01

Bored students with nothing to do

I don't think this is necessarily fair. I think for BAME this is an expression of genuine pain and anger and frustration. I think the experiences and emotions behind it are genuine. But the virus doesn't give one sod why people are together - its just grabbing the opportunity to thrive and spread. The Leeds BLM spokesperson was bang on the money.

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user1477391263 Thu 04-Jun-20 10:01:26

Agreed. The Leeds protest sounds like it has responsible people organizing it.

I don't think these protests in the US (the BLM ones and the lockdown protesters a week ago) will cause a spike but they might cause a slight uptick, depending on how many people are involved.

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