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As there’s been no second wave in any other country why are people so insistent it’s going to happen here?

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whenthejoyreturns · 31/05/2020 15:36

Italy, Spain etc seem to be getting back to normal. Schools, work places, shops and transport systems are reopening yet there seems to be no sign of a second wave. What makes us so different in the uk that a load of people are convinced it’s inevitable here to the extent that some have even started ‘preparing’ for it?

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Redolent · 31/05/2020 15:40

Correct me if I’m wrong, but schools haven’t reopened in either Spain or Italy. They have in Germany but with mandatory masks.

Of course restrictions have been eased, but I’m not sure if any other countries have gone for full, pre-coronavirus re-openings of everything?

South Korea attempted to reopen nightclubs but promptly closed them again after a second spike.

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megletthesecond · 31/05/2020 15:40

Do they have tighter restrictions on face masks? And isn't it fairly early days yet for them anyway?

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Bluntness100 · 31/05/2020 15:41

Because lots of people only look for worst case.

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Hairyfairy01 · 31/05/2020 15:44

My friend in Germany has 2 young children, aged 4 & 8 and they aren't back in school yet. Another friend in Spain posted today about going to the supermarket and doing social distance queuing whilst a member of staff got what you needed. We hardly even 'locked down' to be honest.

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tappitytaptap · 31/05/2020 15:45

Because they are a whole bunch of doom mongering people who seem to be revelling in the misery of it all!

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80sMum · 31/05/2020 15:46

I think because they had better control of the virus before relaxing the lockdown.

Spain still has far more restrictions than the UK. Take a look at UK beaches compared with Spain for example!

Spanish people can only leave their homes at specified times of the day, they can't just get in the car and drive to wherever the hell they like, for example!

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Appuskidu · 31/05/2020 15:46

Italy, Spain etc seem to be getting back to normal. Schools, work places, shops and transport systems are reopening

Schools aren’t reopening in either of those countries yet.

The countries that are relaxing restrictions seem to have got a firm handle on controlling the virus. We haven’t.

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Redolent · 31/05/2020 15:47

“ France will make wearing a mask compulsory in secondary schools and on public transport when it starts easing its lockdown measures in May.

All pupils aged 11-15 will be expected to wear masks and no more than 15 children will be allowed in each classroom at any one time.”



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TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 31/05/2020 15:49

I don’t see how a second wave can be avoided. Those beaches🙈.

They were shut in France when they became full. It was just ignored here. And Britain is really densely populated.

Scientists have already expressed concerns about relaxing lockdown. But Boris doesn’t give a shit

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TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 31/05/2020 15:50

And l think it’s realistic, not worse case

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TheSheepofWallSt · 31/05/2020 15:50

Because when they came out of lockdown I. Spain deaths were in the tens not the hundreds daily.

In Italy restrictions were lifted with reference to regional R rates.

In Germany it was never as uncontrolled in the breadth of spread as here, and testing was infinitely better.

We’re heading for a catastrophe. Look at the figures for last week (confirmed cases and admissions)- that’s not a blip. That’s the result of the VE Day bobbins.

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2468whodoyouappreciate · 31/05/2020 15:52

Lower infection rate at the point of lifting lockdown restrictions.
Larger countries less densely populated than the UK.

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TorysSuckRevokeArticle50 · 31/05/2020 15:52

Korea has just closed all the schools they reopened

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HairOfTheFrog · 31/05/2020 15:53

Yep, the other countries that are easing lockdown measures waited until there was significantly less transmission of the virus first.

We are seeing more new cases/hospital admissions/deaths per day now than we were at the start of lockdown, so why anyone thinks the time is right to relax things is beyond me Confused

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Drivingdownthe101 · 31/05/2020 15:53

Spain still has far more restrictions than the UK. Take a look at UK beaches compared with Spain for example!

Some stricter, some more relaxed. They can go to restaurants, cafes etc. Gatherings of up to 10 people, outside and in. My in laws live in Spain, SIL had a hot tub party last weekend! PIL’s, BIL and SIL went out for a meal and drinks on Friday night. MIL went to her book club meeting last night.

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whenthejoyreturns · 31/05/2020 15:53

We’re heading for a catastrophe. Look at the figures for last week (confirmed cases and admissions)- that’s not a blip. That’s the result of the VE Day bobbins

I thought was because of increased testing. We were told to expect an increase in cases because of this.

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MashedSpud · 31/05/2020 15:53

It happened in 1918.

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LivinLaVidaLoki · 31/05/2020 15:55

The outbreak in Korea though was linked to poor practices in a manufacturing/distribution centre. Not sure why that then resulted in closing the schools.

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TerrapinStation · 31/05/2020 15:55

@TheSheepofWallSt

Because when they came out of lockdown I. Spain deaths were in the tens not the hundreds daily.

In Italy restrictions were lifted with reference to regional R rates.

In Germany it was never as uncontrolled in the breadth of spread as here, and testing was infinitely better.

We’re heading for a catastrophe. Look at the figures for last week (confirmed cases and admissions)- that’s not a blip. That’s the result of the VE Day bobbins.

Where are your figures from last week coming from, I haven't seen any that show increases in cases or admissions, the science ones at the briefings don't show that and I haven't any any of the professors saying that
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TheSheepofWallSt · 31/05/2020 15:55

@TerrapinStation

Public Health England.
If you wait a minute I’ll find a link.

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TheSheepofWallSt · 31/05/2020 15:56

@whenthejoyreturns

Percentages don’t increase because of increased testing if rates are decreasing Hmm

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DrMadelineMaxwell · 31/05/2020 15:57

Yes. We are basing a lot of predictions on previous pandemics. The Spanish flu had 3 waves over 2 years.

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LivinLaVidaLoki · 31/05/2020 15:57

There is an increase in positive tests because there is a massive increase, proportionately its coming down. Hospital deaths are actually in the tens to low hundreds a day at the moment if you look at the day they happened and not the day they reported. What is pushing our figures up are deaths in other settings which I think is predominantly care homes.

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TheSheepofWallSt · 31/05/2020 15:58
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Drivingdownthe101 · 31/05/2020 15:58

It happened in 1918

Yes, with flu. It’s a different virus. And there are many other reasons why this pandemic is different to the flu virus or 1918.

  1. They couldn’t even identify Spanish flu as a virus for quite a while as they didnt have strong enough microscopes.
  2. Spanish flu hit a war ravaged population of young people who were malnourished and exhausted.
  3. Hospitals were already full of war wounded.
  4. hundreds of thousands of people had been displaced by the war and were migrating back to their home countries, taking coronavirus with them

    I’m not saying we won’t have a second wave, I have no idea. But it really is incomparable to Spanish flu.
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