Talk

Advanced search

As there’s been no second wave in any other country why are people so insistent it’s going to happen here?

(386 Posts)
whenthejoyreturns Sun 31-May-20 15:36:34

Italy, Spain etc seem to be getting back to normal. Schools, work places, shops and transport systems are reopening yet there seems to be no sign of a second wave. What makes us so different in the uk that a load of people are convinced it’s inevitable here to the extent that some have even started ‘preparing’ for it?

OP’s posts: |
Redolent Sun 31-May-20 15:40:14

Correct me if I’m wrong, but schools haven’t reopened in either Spain or Italy. They have in Germany but with mandatory masks.

Of course restrictions have been eased, but I’m not sure if any other countries have gone for full, pre-coronavirus re-openings of everything?

South Korea attempted to reopen nightclubs but promptly closed them again after a second spike.

megletthesecond Sun 31-May-20 15:40:32

Do they have tighter restrictions on face masks? And isn't it fairly early days yet for them anyway?

Bluntness100 Sun 31-May-20 15:41:55

Because lots of people only look for worst case.

Hairyfairy01 Sun 31-May-20 15:44:45

My friend in Germany has 2 young children, aged 4 & 8 and they aren't back in school yet. Another friend in Spain posted today about going to the supermarket and doing social distance queuing whilst a member of staff got what you needed. We hardly even 'locked down' to be honest.

tappitytaptap Sun 31-May-20 15:45:01

Because they are a whole bunch of doom mongering people who seem to be revelling in the misery of it all!

80sMum Sun 31-May-20 15:46:26

I think because they had better control of the virus before relaxing the lockdown.

Spain still has far more restrictions than the UK. Take a look at UK beaches compared with Spain for example!

Spanish people can only leave their homes at specified times of the day, they can't just get in the car and drive to wherever the hell they like, for example!

Appuskidu Sun 31-May-20 15:46:49

Italy, Spain etc seem to be getting back to normal. Schools, work places, shops and transport systems are reopening

Schools aren’t reopening in either of those countries yet.

The countries that are relaxing restrictions seem to have got a firm handle on controlling the virus. We haven’t.

Redolent Sun 31-May-20 15:47:11

“ France will make wearing a mask compulsory in secondary schools and on public transport when it starts easing its lockdown measures in May.

All pupils aged 11-15 will be expected to wear masks and no more than 15 children will be allowed in each classroom at any one time.”

//////////////////////

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince Sun 31-May-20 15:49:45

I don’t see how a second wave can be avoided. Those beaches🙈.

They were shut in France when they became full. It was just ignored here. And Britain is really densely populated.

Scientists have already expressed concerns about relaxing lockdown. But Boris doesn’t give a shit

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince Sun 31-May-20 15:50:34

And l think it’s realistic, not worse case

TheSheepofWallSt Sun 31-May-20 15:50:55

Because when they came out of lockdown I. Spain deaths were in the tens not the hundreds daily.

In Italy restrictions were lifted with reference to regional R rates.

In Germany it was never as uncontrolled in the breadth of spread as here, and testing was infinitely better.

We’re heading for a catastrophe. Look at the figures for last week (confirmed cases and admissions)- that’s not a blip. That’s the result of the VE Day bobbins.

2468whodoyouappreciate Sun 31-May-20 15:52:12

Lower infection rate at the point of lifting lockdown restrictions.
Larger countries less densely populated than the UK.

TorysSuckRevokeArticle50 Sun 31-May-20 15:52:16

Korea has just closed all the schools they reopened

HairOfTheFrog Sun 31-May-20 15:53:20

Yep, the other countries that are easing lockdown measures waited until there was significantly less transmission of the virus first.

We are seeing more new cases/hospital admissions/deaths per day now than we were at the start of lockdown, so why anyone thinks the time is right to relax things is beyond me confused

Drivingdownthe101 Sun 31-May-20 15:53:45

Spain still has far more restrictions than the UK. Take a look at UK beaches compared with Spain for example!

Some stricter, some more relaxed. They can go to restaurants, cafes etc. Gatherings of up to 10 people, outside and in. My in laws live in Spain, SIL had a hot tub party last weekend! PIL’s, BIL and SIL went out for a meal and drinks on Friday night. MIL went to her book club meeting last night.

whenthejoyreturns Sun 31-May-20 15:53:47

We’re heading for a catastrophe. Look at the figures for last week (confirmed cases and admissions)- that’s not a blip. That’s the result of the VE Day bobbins

I thought was because of increased testing. We were told to expect an increase in cases because of this.

OP’s posts: |
MashedSpud Sun 31-May-20 15:53:55

It happened in 1918.

LivinLaVidaLoki Sun 31-May-20 15:55:12

The outbreak in Korea though was linked to poor practices in a manufacturing/distribution centre. Not sure why that then resulted in closing the schools.

TerrapinStation Sun 31-May-20 15:55:23

TheSheepofWallSt

Because when they came out of lockdown I. Spain deaths were in the tens not the hundreds daily.

In Italy restrictions were lifted with reference to regional R rates.

In Germany it was never as uncontrolled in the breadth of spread as here, and testing was infinitely better.

We’re heading for a catastrophe. Look at the figures for last week (confirmed cases and admissions)- that’s not a blip. That’s the result of the VE Day bobbins.

Where are your figures from last week coming from, I haven't seen any that show increases in cases or admissions, the science ones at the briefings don't show that and I haven't any any of the professors saying that

TheSheepofWallSt Sun 31-May-20 15:55:59

@TerrapinStation

Public Health England.
If you wait a minute I’ll find a link.

TheSheepofWallSt Sun 31-May-20 15:56:36

@whenthejoyreturns

Percentages don’t increase because of increased testing if rates are decreasing hmm

DrMadelineMaxwell Sun 31-May-20 15:57:27

Yes. We are basing a lot of predictions on previous pandemics. The Spanish flu had 3 waves over 2 years.

LivinLaVidaLoki Sun 31-May-20 15:57:52

There is an increase in positive tests because there is a massive increase, proportionately its coming down. Hospital deaths are actually in the tens to low hundreds a day at the moment if you look at the day they happened and not the day they reported. What is pushing our figures up are deaths in other settings which I think is predominantly care homes.

TheSheepofWallSt Sun 31-May-20 15:58:04

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/888254/COVID19_Epidemiological_Summary_w22_Final.pdf

Page 17 is easiest to see at a glance

Join the discussion

Registering is free, quick, and means you can join in the discussion, watch threads, get discounts, win prizes and lots more.

Get started »