DD going back to school. How would you feel if.....

[HedgeHogFoxBadger]

Title would be too long but if you knew there was a child in the bubble class who's parent had broke the rules, ie since lockdown has seen her BF most of the time but they dont live together and since the rules have changed they are mixing with a slightly bigger group and not social distancing.
This parent has told me to see my BF who i havent seen since lockdown. Am i being unreasonable?

[LouiseTrees]

I would request to be moved to a different bubble.

[gersan]

I live in the area I teach in. For the past couple of weeks I see groups of parents and kids together whenever I take my dog for a walk. I recognise the children and know they don't live together, and many are not social distancing. I think it's unfair on those who are following the guidelines.

[pfrench]

Tough really isn't it. If I was concerned I'd not send my child back.

[Playdonut]

I can't imagine that you will be able to find a bubble without someone who has broken the rules. By definition its only the people who aren't scared of the virus who will be sending their kids in or key workers who have no choice.

[ViSovari]

Play donut
I think that’s a really unfair comment to make. I know people who are proportionally scared of the virus but are also making informed decisions regarding going back to school and the impact that has on the child and family wellbeing with what are relatively low risks for young children and people/families with no underlying health issues in
It’s not a straight “I don’t care I’m sending them back” decision.
I wish people would see this situation is much more nuanced than what is made out in here and on social media.

[Playdonut]

Sorry visovari. I'm sending mine in and I'm a stay at home mum xxx

[Greysparkles]

Will you also request a different bubble if there are keyworker children?

[aquietlifeplease]

My school has sent an email out saying if they have evidence of people not following the regulations about mixing households etc they won't be allowed into school. I totally agree with there stance on this and just assumed most schools would be saying the same.

[LavenderLilacTree]

I honestly don't think it will make a difference. Once the YrR, Yr1, Yr6 go back to school they will be in effect mixing with multiple families. There won't be social distancing in schools and there won't be any PPE.

[Yester]

Sadly so many.people are breaking the rules it's impossible to keep track of and the risk is there. This is why people that can are keeping their kids off.

[VicesReturning]

If you chose to send them in, you chose to accept a risk / likelihood they will catch coronavirus. I pass no judgement, up to you what you choose to do, but I would only send them in if ok with them catching CV.

(Mine have had cv, it was fine, they r going in as key worker children already and yr 1 son will be continuing to go in when classmates join him after half term)

[Deelish75]

I had decided to send my DC back in June (subject to test, track and trace being up and running competently) but I'm beginning to wobble on it now. I'm starting to notice larger groups of people clearly not from the same household in our local park, and it's not actually half term yet - which the weather is supposed to be really good. What's it going to be like next week?

The schools should be able refuse the rule breakers. I think people have forgotten that this virus is still here and we need to be limiting its spread.

[Aroundtheworldin80moves]

My DH has shared an office with 1-2 other people daily, plus toilets and drink making facilities with more people, and driven 300mes to attend meetings with other people in the car...

Would you be happy with my kids? (Essential worker btw, although DC aren't in school at the moment as I'm at home)

[ProperVexed]

The police do not have the resources to police social distancing and groups meeting up. How on earth do you expect the schools to police that now? What would be the evidence? What if the report was malicious?
These bubbles are in no way sterile. Mixing started when the lockdown was relaxed.... there will be many children in bubbles who have broken the rules.

[GrimmsFairytales]

I can't imagine that you will be able to find a bubble without someone who has broken the rules.

I agree with this.

[MichonnesBBF]

This has already started to happen, my school alone have recieved phone calls from parents, asking/demanding (some phone calls are more poliet than others) that their child is not placed in the same bubble as so and so because...

Another parent rang to tell us not to allow a certain family back because of rule breaking. When asked how they (the school) could prove it, they were told "because i'm fucking telling you".

Schools are never going to win.

This is going to be an interesting start back.

The school have said they will monitor accusations but ultimately without cast iron proof there is very little they can do.

[CurlyEndive]

OP, it's unlikely that everyone in the bubble has been following the rules to the letter. And even if they have, there's still a risk of infection - lots of workplaces are starting to go back now, children will be mixing with their siblings who are in different bubbles etc etc.

If you can't accept that level of risk, keep your child at home. Personally I'll be sending mine back as soon as their year groups reopen.

[StrawberryBlondeStar]

My children’s school has demand from parents that keyworker children should not be put in bubbles with their children and should be housed on a separate site.

If you send your child in you are accepting a risk, but accepting the benefit is greater (societally in the case of keyworkers or educationally/emotionally for your own children). You are accepting they will be in contact with a small group of other children. Yes some children’s parents may be meeting Granny at the weekend, but others might not be great hand washers or go to the supermarket regularly. All the plans/modelling are based on a certain amount of people not complying with lockdowns

[HeffalumpsCantDance]

Schools need to tell parents to take their accusations to the police, so they can be dealt with appropriately. Schools can’t make decisions based on hearsay.
Neither will they be able to accommodate the usual insane levels of primary parental fussing over who is with whom and individual demands for children without additional needs.
If schools do go back on 1st June, it needs to be with clarity about which rules are set, and less kowtowing to parents wanting to manipulate them.
‘Because I’m fucking telling you’ Really? Take that to the police, you aggressive arse.

[milkysmum]

I genuinely think by now that most people have breached the rules to some degree ( maybe not on Mumsnet, but in the real world they will have)
I'm a mental health nurse and I work in a small residential home. So I have daily contact with 10 residents ( all of whom go to the shop independently) and I have contact with 15 staff ( who shop, have their own families, and I have no idea to what degree they adhere to rules out if work)
So would you refuse your child to be with my child? I suspect you would. But she's the only keyworker child in her year 6 group. Is she really going to be isolated from the rest? I certainly hope not.

[purpleboy]

I don't think you can police who is or isn't breaking lockdown rules.
If your child is in a bubble of 10 kids, those 10 kids have 1/2/3 sibling with their bubble of 10 kids, by the time you work it all my guess would be almost everyone in the school has access to each other via siblings bubbles. The whole thing makes no sense to me. Unless all the kids are only children then the bubble is actually huge.

[Orangeblossom78]

There will be key worker children there who come into contact with the public as well, for example in our school DS will be with a child whose mum is a nurse..

so I don't think so...

[pfrench]

My school has sent an email out saying if they have evidence of people not following the regulations about mixing households etc they won't be allowed into school.

Hahaha, yes because schools have got loads of time to do that right now. It's also not their job.

'Demanding' anything of schools right now is not OK. Headteachers have not had a day off in months, have been working ridiculous hours in circumstances that apparently it's totally fine for people in this thread to be scared of, and are getting grief from all angles.

If you don't think school will be safe for your child, on the basis of the arrangements the school have made, then don't send him or her back. That is your only option.

[headinabook]

As I’ve found as a teacher, some of the children who’ve been coming to school are quite happy to tell you that they’ve been playing at so-and-so’s house. And the fact that they’re going to be having a big religious celebration with all their aunts and uncles this weekend. And yes, the school does act on this.

[FurForksSake]

I think at this point mixing with others outside who are well probably isn't increasing the risk to your children. In most areas community transmission is pretty low and being outside helps to decrease risk of transmission.

0.97 cases have been in children and that's of the 8% or something overall that have had it.

The teacher will have been mixing with other adults, shopping, looking after key worker children etc and will probably be more of a risk than another child.

The French child that had COVID who mixed with 170 other children and didn't pass it on is also reassuring for how children may not easily pass it around.

Our school is giving key worker parents the option of putting their child back into their age group or remaining in their bubble. Only the key worker bubble can access wrap around and they won't mix bubbles.

At this point Of the crisis a lot of key workers may already have been exposed, antibody testing will help to find out.