Can someone please explain this to me?(46 Posts)
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Why is it ok for me to meet my mum at the park in the morning, and my dad in the afternoon, but not both at the same time?
They both live in the same house.
Because Boris Johnson's advisers are arses......
I presume it’s to limit the number of people out at any time. They have to draw the line somewhere. If 10 people go to the park to meet someone then you’ve got 20 people in the park. If all 10 go to meet both their parents at the same time you’ve then got 30 people in the park...
They had to put a limit on it, if not there will be groups of 10 meeting up with another group of 10.....much harder for groups to socially distance than just 2 people.
Yes it's the minimum, makes complete sense to me.
Well the minimum would be zero, ie don't do it.
I agree op it not logical and excludes single parents
It still limits the amount of people you see. If you see mum and dad together in the morning, you could see friends in the afternoon.
It's an attempt to limit our total contacts, although I understand why people see it as nonsense.
Which means, are far as I know, if you can’t go out alone because there’s nobody to look after your small children or disabled partner (like me(, you can’t meet your mum or dad. I’m not complaining as such...but do think some people are being left behind.
Because people are dimwits who would meet up in hoards. People in this country need a hand hold.
To keep the overall number of people out at any one time down.
Because the police can't go up to every group of 3 (or 4 or 5) and check whether 2 of them live together.
It all comes down to the R number. How many contacts each (potentially infected) person has, and therefore how many people they might infect.
@StillDumDeDumming I think if you went out with your small children and met up with 1 of your parents in a public place it would be clear to anyone that you and the dc are from 1 household having socially distant contact with 1 other person from another household
It's aim is to allow people living alone to break the loneliness of isolation. So one person/ household meeting one person. If you already live with people, it's still best not to meet other people in the park.
Because the police can't go up to every group of 3 (or 4 or 5) and check whether 2 of them live together
But 5 people are allowed out together if they live in the same household and the police can't tell that either.
I also think it's daft that the meet up can't take place in your garden (provided you can access the garden without going indoors). My 16-year-old DD and her friends have taken the lockdown rules really seriously, but if she were to attempt to meet a friend for a socially distanced meet up in our local park, I'd worry they'd be approached by others from their school who haven't taken lockdown compliance seriously. A meet up in the garden would feel much safer.
Unless you go in fell swoop from ‘stay at home’ to ‘go out whenever and wherever you want and meet up with as many people as you like and party all night’ then there’s always going to be a transition period.
It’s quite simple. You can have more social interaction than recently but not as much as you used to have prior to the arrival of Covid 19.
It’s not difficult! I can only that some people are wilfully choosing to misunderstand.
They can't leave it up to people's common sense as so few have any so they have to try and make rules to cover everything and it doesn't always work out.
And the minute they make a rule people are picking at it trying to find a loophole.
@Concerned7777 that isn’t what the rules say though. I have a disabled partner and we could both do with him seeing someone else. But I can’t leave him and he can’t get out alone. If we went together to meet a friend, we could get fined.
@AlecTrevelyan006 you say that, but everyone who has said it’s so simple, has also said my partner and I can go to meet one friend- but that isn’t what the rules say. And I’ve seen no clarification for those that cannot get out solo.
I’m not trying to find a loophole (though I’d bloody love one) I’m just pointing out different situations.
Same reason nannies and cleaners are to open a window...
They’re making it up as they go along instead of actually being guided by science.
“ t’s quite simple. You can have more social interaction than recently but not as much as you used to have prior to the arrival of Covid 19.
It’s not difficult! I can only that some people are wilfully choosing to misunderstand.”
If there weren’t fines involved I would be inclined to agree - and those fines have been increase too to appease the “punish the floaters” contingent too - but if you’re going to threaten people with fines they naturally want clarity about what they can and cannot do. You can’t legislate “use common sense”. I suspect that in reality few fines will actually be issued. But it seems fair to me that spooks are double checking given that fines have been threatened
@StillDumDeDumming could you bring him to a park then go and sit a distance away so that he can spend time with someone and you can support him as needed without being part of it yourself?
@IvinghoeBeacon or ivinghoe beaconhoe as I like to call it (I love that place) - that’s exactly it.
@codenameVillanelle I thought about that. It might work- he relies on me for communication- he had a massive stroke so it’s all fairly recent. I mean he won’t always be able to rely on me. But this is what’s making people upset - you have to tie yourself in knots - whereas you can go to work (if you can’t work at home) and see lots of people. Or let your cleaner in (who of course would be glad to go to work for the money I realise).
The original exercise rules had quite good dispensation for physically disabled or autistic people. Who could always travel to suitable places and more than once a day. So I’m thinking exceptions will be announced. But the pressure on lots of people is immense and people pretending it’s not, and it’s all beautiful because they can hear the birds singing and learn mandarin, do upset me a little.
@StillDumDeDumming my post just referred to you and your dc not your partner. Although seen as your partner is what they would term "vulnerable " (hate that term personally) and cant go out alone I think discretion and common sense would prevail here.
If you have a child who you can't leave or a disabled partner of course you can go out with them but the rules still apply with regards to only seeing one other person (I'd count you and your partner/child as a single person) and you need to use your common sense, is it worth the risk?
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