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bad gp appointment(20 Posts)
I am sure that your gp should be referring you after 12 months. Can you go back and see your usual GP?
I am sorry to read that this did not go well for you.
Many GPs don't accept LPD as a cause of any potential subfertility but that does not mean to say that this is not a problem. Also such problems are outside a GPs general remit anyway.
What you need first and foremost is a proper diagnosis and for that you're going to need to see a gynae at a subfertility unit.
What has also annoyed me on your behalf quite apart from you being dismissed is that this person has stated because you have a child already your chances are really good anyway. So this person clearly has not heard about "secondary subfertility" (I use subfertility rather than infertility as this implies infertile).
Your cycles would not necessarily be seen as entirely regular as there is more than 4 days of variation from month to month.
I would try and arrange an appointment with your usual doctor and have a further discussion with that person. When you do I would insist on you being referred to such a unit now bearing in mind it can take several months for you to be seen by them anyway.
I wish you well.
oh! annemiac!!!!!!!!! what a shit!!!!!!
I was over 40yrs with no kids and my GP made me wait 1 year!!!! I have since written to her to tell her that my consultant says anyone TTC over 35-40yrs should be referred after 6 months of TTC!!!!!!! so at least she will not make the same mistake again!!!!!
As you are 33yrs and have already 1 child the usual time for tests and referral is 1 year of TTC..... so your GP is very wrong!!!!
He sounds like a right w------!!!!!! you need to go and see another GP preferably a woman GP!!!!!!!
I really do sYmpathise with you! I also had a luteal phase prob(or I thought I had!)and nobody would liSten to me. I paid private in the end to have it fully investigated (£800-1000!)and it was normal!
How are you predicting your OV???
anniemiac! you could also have a luteal phase of 10 days and this is normal!
Hi there, sorry to barge in here but could you explain why the LP is so important? I am TTC after m/c in March and I haven't had a period for 8 weeks and 2 days now! I keep getting BFNs and went for blood tests this week to check hormone levels etc. But I am getting really stressed wondering what is wrong with me.
I also have a self-diagnosed LPD. Not feeling quite so bad about it since someone (Rainbowdays?, probably wrong there) got a BFP at 7dpo. It may be something else to decrease the odds every month, but not insurmountable.
Still very sorry to hear how badly you were treated by your GP. The guidelines clearly state you should get basic tests and then referred after a year of TTC. I'm currently in the middle of a six-month wait for an appointment to the subfertility unit, so you want to get on that list asap, and then allow the nasty doc some smugness when you get pregnant before you need to use it
Grr on your behalf Anniemac - agree with others that you should go and see your usual doctor.
FWIW when I first went to the doctors because I was worried I wasn't conceiving (potted history - 2 very easy conceptions, the 2nd result in a m/c) I was told that I could have initial blood tests and scans to check for hormone problems but otherwise I would have to wait 18 months before I was referred. I went back to get results a month or so later and saw same doctor who said there were no problems and I promptly burst into tears (I know that sounds daft but I was kind of hoping for some really easily sortable problem to have arisen which would explain everytrhing) - it didn't help that my AF had arrived that morning. Anyway, she then said I could have another blood test to check it wasn't a one off and then be referred in July/Aug which was not even a year of trying since m/c (although a year of trying if you included the m/c).
The only difference between the 2 events was that at the second one I was visibly not coping very well and I think this altered her opinion. From what I've read on here the 18 month rule isn't a rule and its up to doctors to decide.
Sorry thats really waffly but the point is I think you were treated unfairly and another doctor (esp. one that knows you better) might be able to judge it'd be a good idea to be referred.
What some doctors don't think about (and I know its not all, because some are great) is that at 33 (and I am similar age so no disrespect !) by the time you've had tests and waited around on the nhs you're going to be older and given the time it takes to be referred you're going to have tried for a fair bit longer than now.
book an appt with you normall gp and ask to be referred they will as the specialist wait is 9months ish where i am, when i found out about my appointment with the specialist i also found out i was pg good luck keep your chin up (my dd was concieved tipsy night cause i felt down that i wasnt falling pg!)
Feel v. sorry for you Anniemac. Dr's can be so insensitive.
You might find these NICE guidelines useful - they basically tell you what the doctors should be doing. Obviously they're aimed at Dr's but it's always useful to be armed with knowledge.
Just read this - been offline for a few days - how awful. I have appt with doc next week for test results. I had mentioned my short LP to doc in Jan when early tests done and she dismissed it. I really think it is the source of my probs so will mention it again next week! So frustrating.
B6 seemed to work last month but not this - arghh. Also have rubbish skin - so had been hoping that that was a sign of pg but unfortunately I'm both not pg and spotty
anniemac - how long have you been trying? how old is your DD? GP sounds like a twat. It's very discretionary as to when they can refer you. I had been trying for no2 for 9 months but I had no signs of ovulation - no CM, no positive test on OV tests, so GP was happy to refer me (I have a DS that was conceived easily). Having said that my GP is a star. Can you go back and see another GP?
I know this doesn't help at all but I have been in the exact place you are in now and it sucks. I had "unexplained secondary infertility", had tons of tests, acupuncture etc etc, it was so frustrating and upsetting. I never ever thought I'd be where I am now, which is with a DS2 that is 6 months. You are young and if you have a child already your chances of conceiving again are good. I know that's probably annoying to hear but it is true.
Anyway, just wanted to add my sympathy, hang in there.
How long did it take you in the end and if you don't mind me asking, how old are you?
p.s i was made to wait a year by the GP practice I go to (i'm nearly 38) and now kind of wished i had lied to them to get an earlier referral, although so far all my tests are coming back normal and therefore i may fall into the unexplained camp as well (have one DS which conceived within 3 months)
I'm 35 (was 33 when starting trying). It took 2 years in the end (which I'm sure you don't want to hear!) and we ended up going down the IVF route (worked first time). I just found the whole things so utterly frustrating and draining and I would hate coming on here and seeing people announcing their pregnancies after they'd only been trying 2 or 3 months but people said, "I'm sure it will happen for you" and it did, it just really didn't seem like it at the time.
Another question! did you go private for your IVF? Did the secondary infertility remain unexplained?
We are seeing consultant on 23rd August and i will have HSG soon after that. At moment we don't think we will do IVF, we may just keep on trying to conceive naturally and explore adoption as well, but i might change my mind, dh feels more strongly than me that would not want to go down ivf route (mainly cos of the cost i think)tho also he thinks we should look into adopting cos of all the unwanted/abused kids there are which is absolutely true tho don't think the process is easy at all. You were obviously that bit younger when you had ivf than i would be if we ended up doing that so your chances might have been better.
Well done anyway for a happy outcome.
Yes we did go private. With having one child we weren't eligible for NHS treatment. First of all we went down the IUI route but I ended up with 3 follicles so they wouldn't go ahead (because of risk of triplets). It was so frustrating and in the end we just decided to give IVF a go. We got a loan that would have covered 2 attempts and were lucky that it worked on first time. Although age is important it's really the age of your eggs that count. I had a below average FSH so although only 33 I think my eggs were a bit below par!
It did remain 'unexplained'. I do belive that sometimes there is just no logic to these things. And that actually is one of the most annoying aspects.
38 really isn't that old in terms of IVF. How long have you been trying now?
This is our 15th cycle TTC though to make myself feel better I would discount at least 3 cycles because in one DH was quite poorly and in one or maybe even 2 others he was away at crucial time and I have also been away for one.
Found out yesterday that really good friends have been successful on first IVF attempt TTC their first. Really pleased for them as they have had to watch all their good friends having children and were trying for along time before they started IVF.
However on day 8 after the embryos were transferred my friend got ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome and ended up having 7 days in hospital and another 7 days at home. Hoping things go ok for her from now on but i do think that is the scary side of IVF, having to pump all the drugs in and not knowing whether it will work/make you really ill.
on the other hand I know 4 people in rl who have had ivf and all 4 of them are now pregnant or have children so that makes it seem good.
It is a really hard one i think. If i didn't have a DS i would definately want to go for it but because i do it makes things different.
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