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Sparkle9 Mon 28-Oct-13 09:38:05

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NotWithoutMyMerkin Mon 28-Oct-13 15:36:30

I am not sure what you are asking. I would expect temps to be higher post O than pre O (as you described) and the temps post O can spike or drop (still normal). Some people also get a gradual drop in temps towards the start of AF however some people's temps do not drop until a few days after AF has started
The only thing I would be concerned about from your post is a very short luteal phase that could be preventing implantation

blamber Mon 28-Oct-13 16:07:48

I have been charting since coming off the pill too. My cycles are irregular, but I have had short LPs like you. Twice my temp just dropped on the day AF came and once it stayed high on the day AF came but dropped the day after. I have had spotting too with high temps.

Are your cycles usually regular but is it just your LP that's worrying you? The clinic should be able to help. Depending on the cause, they can give you clomid and/or progesterone supplements. Please let us know what the clinic says, especially since I have similar problems but no referral sad!

Sparkle9 Mon 28-Oct-13 19:21:17

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NotWithoutMyMerkin Mon 28-Oct-13 19:36:23

sparkle the temp pattern you are seeing is normal, I get the same spike and drop pattern
Low progesterone can be related to a short luteal phase. Clomid can also extend a short luteal phase.
A word of warning... Some consultants refuse to believe the short luteal phase exists or is a problem so you may have to be prepared to fight your case

NotWithoutMyMerkin Mon 28-Oct-13 19:37:38

Info here about a study on clomid and short luteal phases

Sparkle9 Mon 28-Oct-13 23:34:48

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ohfourfoxache Tue 29-Oct-13 08:16:08

Sparkle I'm sorry to post on this thread as well (I've only skim read) - please, please, please - if you are found to be ovulating normally then don't take clomiphene - it REDUCES the chances of conception in women who ovulate normally and should only be used in women who are anovulatory (usually with a primary diagnosis of POC or PCOS, although it can work on occasion in women with underlying pituitary problems). There was a study published only a few years ago (<4) - I've not got a link but it's' googleable

blamber Tue 29-Oct-13 09:26:24

That's interesting! I thought it was used in short LPs, to make ovulation stronger and thereby lengthen the LP. But if you don't need it, then it's always best not to take it. The fewer meds you need the better!

Sparkle9 Tue 29-Oct-13 10:04:48

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barkingtreefrog Tue 29-Oct-13 13:29:11

ohfour the problem is identifying whether you are ovulating normally or not. I have an 8 day LP, sometimes 9, although my consultant denied it was a problem. I was told at the fc that my blood tests indicated I was ovulating and I do not have pcos. I was given clomid because where I live you have to try it before you can get IVF, even though the consultant said it probably wouldn't work as I was already ovulating. I got a bfp on my first round (although sadly I then mc). Given the OP seems to be in a similar position to myself, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss clomid. I had been ttc for 22 cycles at that point, no bfp up until the clomid despite no reason it should have worked for me.

NotWithoutMyMerkin Tue 29-Oct-13 13:59:05

To barking's point, temps and day 21 tests may indicate you are ovulating when actually you are not
lufs which is why clomid can and does work in people who appear to be ovulating normally

Sparkle9 Tue 29-Oct-13 19:28:04

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Sparkle9 Wed 30-Oct-13 20:34:15

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NotWithoutMyMerkin Wed 30-Oct-13 20:50:11

Sparkle that's not unreasonable at all... Poor you, sounds as though you had a terrible experience. I'm not sure if it was private appointment or not but I would ask on the appropriate boards for clinic recommendations in your area as there seems to be a huge spectrum of the quality of care they provide. Sorry they weren't more helpful

NotWithoutMyMerkin Wed 30-Oct-13 20:51:24

Sparkle also I would recommend the elderberries thread in conception. A lovely group of ladies in similar situations who will offer good advice and sympathy x

DontCallMeDaughter Wed 30-Oct-13 20:52:56

I'm really sorry to hear you had a bad experience. Try not to feel too down, let them do the tests and then talk to them again when the results are in.

I donated eggs last year and they didn't use opks to time my cycle, they used internal scans which are a lot more reliable. My experience of opks and temping is that it IS unreliable. I got three days of positive opks and then it looked like I ovulated 2 days after the last positive. So a lot longer than 12-36 hrs after the first positive.

You have self-diagnosed your short luteal phase based on your temps. And temping can be unreliable too. I don't think the nurse should have dismissed your concerns but I'm guessing it's because they find all the home methods a bit hmm. We're all experts now we have the internet!!

When we struggled to conceive our 2nd, I called the fertility clinic where I donated eggs. They were really reassuring that all of the weird opks and temping I was getting was just because these things are unreliable. They knew my fertility was ok because I'd had all the tests and responded well during the donation so assured me it was just a matter of time. And they were right... But it took a year.

So I think you should give them a chance to look into your fertility using their methods and they'll come to their conclusions and then hear them out. You could be pleasantly surprised and they could really help you.

barkingtreefrog Thu 31-Oct-13 19:09:05

sparkle your experience sounds much like my first fc appointment.
No such thing as a problem with short luteal phase.
Opks and temping are a waste of time.
You know it can take up to 2 years to get pg as there's only a 25% chance each cycle?
All a paper ticking exercise so we could go off and have the tests. However, going all with the system eventually got us the clomid which got us a bfp (even if it didn't stick) so it might be worth it.
And when I went back this week to beg for Provera to bring on AF so I could take Clomid again it was a much friendlier experience.

Are you over 30 and ttc #1? If so come and join the elderberries!! smile

Missmidden Thu 31-Oct-13 21:08:53

Sparkle sadly it seems to be a total lottery as to whether you see someone who believes in luteal phase defects (short or full of spotting- both indicate a progesterone problem).

I have a history of secondary infertility which resulted in "unexplained " as a non diagnosis and a round of IVF this summer which lead to a chemical/ early miscarriage. I was not willing to go ahead with a frozen embryo transfer until a few more things were ruled out so ended up seeing a consultant gynacologist privately who will perform a hysteroscopy next cycle. However he took one look at my history of spotting for days before AF each month and said that if he had seen me first (instead of the local hospital who were utterly hopeless) he would have put me on clomid, monitored my cycle to time intercourse and then put me on progesterone supplementation. I am sure there was some degree of consultant arrogance, but with the rest of my history he was confident I would have got pregnant on this without IVF. I have told everyone else I have seen about the spotting and had it dismissed every time.

My only advice would be to do your homework and try to get to see a consultant who believes in luteal phase defects. I came to the conclusion a long ago that there is no consensus in the medical profession on lots of areas of infertility, so you have to do a lot of research and find the people who seem most likely to help you. Mumsnet and Fertility Friends are great places to start. The consultant I saw is based in Northampton (and sees NHS patients too) so if you want his details feel free to PM me.

Sparkle9 Fri 01-Nov-13 10:16:43

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Sparkle9 Fri 01-Nov-13 10:19:06

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NotWithoutMyMerkin Fri 01-Nov-13 11:09:13

Yep Sparkle, the berries will make an exception for being a few months off 30!

barkingtreefrog Fri 01-Nov-13 15:55:14

No, not getting any progesterone, just the clomid.

meditrina Sun 03-Nov-13 04:42:10

When is the semen analysis booked for?

Even though you seem to be saying you want to park the whole issue until after Christmas, this is the one thing I recommend you get on to straight away.

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