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The Elderberry Pavlovas who will graduate (thread 12)

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CharmingCats Mon 15-Jul-13 20:08:58

Roll up, roll up for the best discussions of ewcm, opk, ic and double dying you'll ever have. Probably.

The smallprint - Berries have a strict entrance criteria (TTC #1, over 30, TTC for 3+months, NO instadiffers, must have a special pot) and def no mention of baby dust or baby dancing UGH !!! Ooh we are strict...please note your house may be at risk if you do not keep up repayments lol

yorkiebilb Tue 16-Jul-13 10:50:59

Thanks very much all for being so lovely. I don't feel I can talk to my bf about it as she is currently pregnant so I really appreciate you offering me support and advice. Sobbed on the phone to my mum this morning though!

Thanks so much cherry for offering advice when you are going through so much yourself. My fsh level came back as 12 and I know that anything over 10 isn't good. I have been having night sweats on and off for a year and a bit so it has crossed my mind but I thought it might be my anxiety. I'm also worrying about my age (35) with these results. Thank you for providing the link to a thread about it. There doesn't seem to be much on mn about high fsh levels so a link to others chatting about it will definitely help. I know that there are options but it has all come as a big shock and I'm currently in panic mode.

I spoke to the hospital about trying to get an earlier appointment but there were none available and the consultant wouldn't talk to me until my apt in Sep which is very frustrating. I did ring some of the nhs clinics that fall under my area to ask their advice, some said upper limit was 15 and another said that it should be less than 12 and that I need to be referred asap. She also told me to try and get my gp to repeat the day 2/3 tests as fsh levels fluctuate from month to month. I'm going to ring my gp and try and get them to arrange another test for next month particularly as they mucked up my first set of results.

Boomgoestheweasel Tue 16-Jul-13 11:03:15

yorkie are you kidding me, the consultant is refusing to speak to a distressed patient? angry Too big for their bloody boots, time some of these people remembered who they're in their job to help.

Is going private an option for you? Hope your GP at least manages to sort out those tests. Those levels sound hopeful, at least they're at the lower end of 'high' if you know what I mean. I do hope you get some answers soon, it's totally unfair to leave you stewing until September. Plus if it is pof surely time is of the essence?

Sorry, not trying to rile you up. Just upsets me when people who are supposed to be there to care for people cause more harm than they do good.

yorkiebilb Tue 16-Jul-13 11:55:30

hi boom yep wouldn't talk even with me on the phone crying my eyes out.

Private is an option and DH's lovely mum has offered to pay but don't want to take money unnecessarily as she is not exactly rolling in it and would want to exhaust nhs options if I can first. I know it sounds ridiculous but I feel guilty taking money off her when it's my body that has failed not her sons. I know that sounds crazy.

Currently on hold waiting to speak to my doctor to try and request a repeat fsh test.

SidneyBristow Tue 16-Jul-13 13:14:47

Yorkie will keep my fingers crossed that someone at your doctor's office has an ounce of compassion and human kindness and will speak to you and get the repeat tests underway. It's disgraceful the way some practices leave their patients hanging! How kind of your MIL to offer - at least you know that's a possibility. I'm sure she wouldn't offer if she couldn't manage it. Maybe she has the same attitude my parents do, that they'd rather see their money help family members while they (my parents) are still around to see the results. thanks

BlindKitty Tue 16-Jul-13 13:17:56

boom welcome to my world! For about the last 10 years, between 2 and 3 times a week I've woken up screaming or telling dh that there's a man in the room! What can I say? he loves it! (hmm)

yorkie I'm sure you need to have an amh test yet. Even then, there's been loads of mumsnetters that have said they got pg naturally that have had a low amh

cherrycoconut Tue 16-Jul-13 13:52:58

Hope you’re bearing up OK Yorkie?
12 is not so bad hun, really. Measures in normal women fluctuate between about 4 – 20 anyway, depending on where you are in your cycle. Are you having a regular cycle? Did you have it tested on a particular day? This could yet be all fine and nothing to worry about.

From what I’ve read/gleaned it’s not usually until you get into the high teens, 20’s and even low 30’s consistently that you’d really be considered perimenopausal. Flippin doctors should really work on their delivery of this news before they drop their bloody clangers it makes me so cross! 30 – 140 is the range for meno/post meno.

Take a few deep breaths, it’s definitely not all over yet. Reducing your stress levels, I know I know, easier said than done hey, eating well, getting good sleep will all help in the meantime. Try not to fret.

I agree with Blind, again, on it's own, low AMH is not the barrier it first seems.

yorkiebilb Tue 16-Jul-13 14:42:07

Again thank you all for your kind words and support berries - you make me cry (again) at how lovely you all are. I'm sorry I seem to have dominated the thread today....

cherry It was taken on day 2 of my cycle and I know it fluctuates from cycle to cycle. I'm just concerned about being refused nhs treatment as many won't treat unless you're under 10 and they look at your highest result. I just want to know what I need to do as I'm getting mixed messages from the professionals or just being completely ignored. I guess I just have to wait until Sep and try and reduce my stress in the interim. Unfortunately I suffer from anxiety and I came off my AD's to get pg last year so that probably isn't helping me. However, on a positive I've just ordered a fertility yoga dvd and some recommended books on infertility. cherry thank you so much for all your advice considering everything you are going through. I really hope you can get the ball moving with the DE and I have everything crossed for you.

Foodylicious Tue 16-Jul-13 15:54:47

For the list...
Bunny - 33, month 15 TTC, had basic tests, awaiting FC referral letter
Happy - 35 cycle 12. Last ditch attempt to get upduffed before taking a break in preparation for wedding next year. Also waiting for FC appt.
Tallyra, 33, ttc for ages, keep getting sick and then losing it. Hysteroscopy next week the back to trying again.
boom 31, month 15, mc last year, pcos, starting clomid next cycle if AF ever fricking turns up. Dangerously grumpy.
Sidney - 38, Lucky Cycle 13 TTC, all tests normal, awaiting FC referral letter
Foody - 33, ttc nov 2011, 1mc may 2013, currently on hold until end Aug/start Sep. Hate F&*%$^& condoms, grrr, hanging on by a thread most days

Oh yorkie thats proper pants, do what you need to do do to get through this, give yourself a break if you can, if you don't want to go to work, don't go, if you need a good scream go ahead. whatever happens just keep talking, you have to let it out.
Someone once told me something utterly useless...
"whatever happens today, tomorrow still turns up"
no shit sherlock! pissed me off at the time but now makes me smile just a little bit when I feel all is lost.

Foodylicious Tue 16-Jul-13 15:58:57

Good move on the DVD yorkie I have got back into excerise after mc in lay and want my body to be the best it can be by september.
have you checked out i get some of my exercise videos on there and if you type in fertility a few things come up like yoga!

Foodylicious Tue 16-Jul-13 16:02:46

sorry, just had a better look at the fertility stuff on 2shared and its a bit pants

Thundercatsarego Tue 16-Jul-13 16:33:25

Hello all,

yorkie you know there's a bug hug from me at this shitty news. From what cherry says however, it may not be as bleak as all that. cherry what a wealth of knowledge and support you are! I'm glad the hormones aren't making you feel too dodgy but slightly disappointed you haven't woken up with a full beard in the first stage of becoming a man

boom and blind wtf is going on? Why all this nocturnal angst?

aquarius I agree with getting to the bottom of what's going on with DH. Can you talk to him about it? I know mine would be utterly shit at this.

Hi to everyone else. As for me, no af today and that as much as I can cope with at the moment!

Tallyra Tue 16-Jul-13 18:02:57

hi foody. I am SO with you on that condom thing. That's exactly why we aren't DTD much at the moment (which is pathetic really and starting to get to us). neither of us like them much and it makes it so much less tempting knowing we've got to be careful. As soon as we have our baby, I'm going back to the coil.

barkingtreefrog Tue 16-Jul-13 18:35:35

yorkie hope you're still hanging in there, it's such a nightmare when you can't seem to get answers from people who should know what they're talking about. It compounds all the anxiety totally unecessarily and causes avoidable stress. <hugs> for you and angry angry angry for the consultant.

My classroom was an oven today. Kids tired, hot and grumpy and I was worse! Hanging by a thread until the end of term. Unfortunately DP finishes on Friday and I have another two days. I really can't see the point in next mon/tues. I can't imagine getting anything productive done!!

DP now on a work night out leaving me with two dogs (dog sitting this week).

Day two of clomid and no side effects I've noticed. Feeling positive grin .

happylass Tue 16-Jul-13 19:11:52

Barking I hear you on the classroom oven thing. Sun on my window all day. Kids only in there for 50 minute lessons but I was in there all day - almost melted! We finish on Friday fortunately. I think Boodle said she has another week shock. School trip tomorrow ie deposit 500 kids in theme park and settle on picnic blanket near entrance with Kindle for 6 hours to make sure none of them escape. Times like this I love my job grin

Bunnygirlie Tue 16-Jul-13 19:12:35


Yay to the clomid barking for you FX!

Bunnygirlie Tue 16-Jul-13 19:13:39

p.s. i hate teachers at this time of the year wink

marie456 Tue 16-Jul-13 19:41:06

Good evening ladies. Could I possibly join this thread?
I am 31 years old. Husband also 31. ttc for 9 cycles (1 cycle after MC).
Finally managed to get upduffed and knew I was pregnant for all of 8 days before it came unstuck :-( . That was last week. Horrible week that it was. Have a feeling I have low progesterone after trawling through internet information so 'unsticking' may happen again if I get lucky a second time round.
Have had a little nosy at the Elderberry threads in the past. Haven't had chance to look through all of this most recent thread yet but will plough on through it now and try and get to know you all a bit better!!

barkingtreefrog Tue 16-Jul-13 19:42:36

On computer now so can update the list grin

Bunny - 33, month 15 TTC, had basic tests, awaiting FC referral letter
Happy - 35 cycle 12. Last ditch attempt to get upduffed before taking a break in preparation for wedding next year. Also waiting for FC appt.
Tallyra, 33, ttc for ages, keep getting sick and then losing it. Hysteroscopy next week the back to trying again.
boom 31, month 15, mc last year, pcos, starting clomid next cycle if AF ever fricking turns up. Dangerously grumpy.
Sidney - 38, Lucky Cycle 13 TTC, all tests normal, awaiting FC referral letter
Foody - 33, ttc nov 2011, 1mc may 2013, currently on hold until end Aug/start Sep. Hate F&*%$^& condoms, grrr, hanging on by a thread most days
Barking - 34, ttc cycle 20, had all the tests, FC said 'unexplained infertility', dismissed 8 day LP as a potential issue, on first cycle of Clomid.

Right, I could stay on the computer all night and do nothing productive, or I could make cookies. I was going to make Rum and Raisin cookies but we have no rum in the house. Maybe I should just go and buy some rum...

NotWithoutMyMerkin Tue 16-Jul-13 19:44:56

Hey Marie, welcome in. Poor you for the last cycle, that's awful news. Have you seen your doc?

happylass Tue 16-Jul-13 19:49:08

Welcome Marie. So sorry to hear about your MC. You'll find lots of support here from lovely ladies who've sadly been through similar experiences. Put your feet up and make yourself at home.

barkingtreefrog Tue 16-Jul-13 19:49:42

Hi Marie grin. Make yourself at home! It's all very friendly in here. Would you like a cookie when I come back later? Sorry you've had a bad knock, there are others on here who've been through similar. flowers
Pick yourself a suitable seat - we have a wide selection but I'm afraid I've forgotten what most of them are. The Sofa of Pity? The Chaise Longue of Limbo? Rug of Rage? I'm usually on the Beanbag of Grumpiness or skipping merrily down the Yellow Brick Road of positivity, depending on the time of cycle....

Help me out Berries, what else can we sit on?!

happylass Tue 16-Jul-13 19:56:08

Sunlounger of........sympathy??

barkingtreefrog Tue 16-Jul-13 19:59:31

Damn. Dithered too long or just too damn lazy and just realised it's 8pm. Corner shop shuts at 8pm. No rum and raisin cookies then. Might have to be chocolate chip instead. Definitely logging off now...

Boomgoestheweasel Tue 16-Jul-13 20:02:56

barking buy the rum. BUY THE RUM! Last chance for booze now you're on them thar baby pills!

Hi Marie, come on in! I am currently hogging the chaise longue of limbo, but feel free to grab a seat on any of the others that barking mentioned, or failing that make one up. Oh, and there's the bubblebath of gloom too if you fancy getting wet. So sorry to hear about your mc, it's utter crap. Feel free to have a good rant, we're all good at sympathy and brew and biscuit.

What makes you think you might have low progesterone?

Boomgoestheweasel Tue 16-Jul-13 20:03:26

Boo. No rum.

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