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Freak Out Room For Those Newly Updiffed After M/C Part VII

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Blackkat · 05/06/2011 14:30

Just found out you are pregnant after a previous miscarriage and too nervous to move over the to pregnancy boards? Freaking out about spotting, cramping, symptoms (or lack there of) and nervously awaiting your first scan? Here is a lovely place for lot's of support, hand holding and problem sharing.

Courtesy of owlbooty here are the Ten Commandments of the Freak Out Room.

  1. Thou shalt check thy knickers to the point of insanity until the baby actually arrives.
  2. Thou shalt also check the loo roll post-wipeage (sorry, gross, I know)
  3. Thou shalt bore thy physician and midwife to tears with the mentalling.
  4. And thy husband/boyfriend/family/neighbour's cat.
  5. Thou shalt obsess over the absence of symptoms.
  6. And the presence of symptoms.
  7. And the fluctuation of symptoms.
  8. Thou shalt pee on a vast number of sticks and keep ClearBlue and First Response in business.
  9. The day before any scan extreme mentalling is permitted without recourse to the Haddock.

10. Self-diagnosis with Dr Google is Forbidden.

The Haddock will be applied liberally to all transgressors.

See here for the previous thread
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Blackkat · 05/06/2011 14:35

Sunday 5th June

ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts 23+1 EDD 01/10/11
Lovemysleep 21+5 EDD 11/10/11
Tunnocksteacake 20+0 EDD 24/10/11
IreneHeron 19+5 EDD 23/10/11
CEP 18+1 EDD 5/11/11 - 20 wk scan 22/6/11
Hils74 17+4 EDD 8/11/11
Katherine2008 17+3 EDD 10/11/11 next scan 23/6/11
Haffertee 17+1 EDD 14/11/11
Ninunina: 16+5 EDD 15/11/11
delilahbelle 16+3 EDD 22/11/11
Mattsmama 16+3 EDD 17/11/11
CollieandPup 16 EDD 20/11/11 next scan 06/20/11
Banana87 15+5 EDD 22/11/11
wombatinwaiting: 15+3 EDD 24/11/11 next scan 8/6/11
LaraMi 15+2 EDD 25/11/11 Next scan 20/07/11
IzzyWizzyletsgetbusy 14+6 EDD 26/11/11
Blackkat 13+6 EDD 5/12/11 Next scan 26/07/11
Jigglebum 13+3 EDD 8/12/11
Minnie74 13+1 EDD 12/12/11
Lucky 11+6
Dooscooby 11+3 EDD 22/12/11 next scan 9/6/11
Harassed 10+6 EDD 26/12/11 next scan 10/6/11
Hadrian 10+3 Next scan - 13/06/11
Updiffed 9+1 Next scan - 8/06/11
Bump 8+1
Hairylights 7+6
Lily06 7+2
Pigletmania 7+1
Laylasmummy09 7

On the grads thread too:

Nickster 31+1 EDD 7/8/11
Orange 27+1 EDD 4/9/11
Wombat33 26+1 EDD 10/09/11
Daisybell 25+3 EDD 14/09/11
Pinkfondantfancy 24+1 EDD 25/09/11
Tiggersreturn (TTT) 23+5 EDD 26/09/11
mamapower 23+4 EDD 28/9/11
Emoo 22+3 EDD 7/10/11
Onions 19+6 EDD 24/10/11 Next Scan 07/06/11
Velvetcu 19+5 EDD 25/10/11 next scan 22/06/11
MummyAbroad 18+2 EDD 4/11/11

In our thoughts and prayers
Dachs whose beautiful little babies Alexander & Felicia left this world sleeping

Thinking of.... ladybee; digi; A&R; barbie; MumTum; Knitter, Kat2504

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Blackkat · 05/06/2011 14:36

Takes this quiet opportunity to open the windows, tidy up the waffle packets and hula hoops and spruce the place up.

Sets up some comfy deckchairs on the terrace so we can all enjoy the warmer weather and the view, yes this place has an awesome view! A Zen Terrace, attached to the FO Room.

Does a quick mental check to make sure there are enough chairs for those we hope join from other threads soon .

Replenishes cupboards with waffles, crisps and other craving foods. Leaves freshly baked scones, clotted cream and homemade blackcurrant jam in the hope that the smell entices people in.

So we're all set and ready for the new thread

Good Luck Tomorrow Milkyways

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Velvetcu · 05/06/2011 14:46

Thanks for the new home blackkat

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pigletmania · 05/06/2011 16:12

I will pull up one of those chairs but won't have a lovely cream tea due to awful morning sickness which lasts all day ahhhhhh. At least its a good sign, because with the last two MC I never had any sickness, but with dd I did. In normal circumstances I would love a cream tea yum. Will stash it for after the first trimester, hopefully I will make it that far.

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milkyways · 05/06/2011 17:24

I'm so sorry for the spam posting in the last thread. God i'm so embarassed. I have no idea how that happened. Sorry once again.

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ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts · 05/06/2011 20:14

Was PMSL at your posting milky!

Thanks Blackkat, those scones will go down a treat Grin

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IzzyWizzyletsgetbusy · 05/06/2011 20:40

Thanks for the new thread blackkat Smile

WTF happened at the end of the last one milky ?! Grin I didn't even know that threads could get that big!! Grin Grin

Anyway I'm back from Spain after a lovely relaxing weeks holiday . Got myself into a bit of a flap on Saturday when I couldn't find the hb but a couple of hours later after eating a pile of biscuits and going for a walk it was back, so am feeling slightly calmer now.

Just updating list to add on my next scan (booked private scan for Thursday on the basis that if there's still a hb and baby's measuring ok we've got further than last time!). Am going to be v nervous about this one!

Hope everyone's ok - I will try and catch up on your news soon!


Sunday 5th June

ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts 23+1 EDD 01/10/11
Lovemysleep 21+5 EDD 11/10/11
Tunnocksteacake 20+0 EDD 24/10/11
IreneHeron 19+5 EDD 23/10/11
CEP 18+1 EDD 5/11/11 - 20 wk scan 22/6/11
Hils74 17+4 EDD 8/11/11
Katherine2008 17+3 EDD 10/11/11 next scan 23/6/11
Haffertee 17+1 EDD 14/11/11
Ninunina: 16+5 EDD 15/11/11
delilahbelle 16+3 EDD 22/11/11
Mattsmama 16+3 EDD 17/11/11
CollieandPup 16 EDD 20/11/11 next scan 06/20/11
Banana87 15+5 EDD 22/11/11
wombatinwaiting: 15+3 EDD 24/11/11 next scan 8/6/11
LaraMi 15+2 EDD 25/11/11 Next scan 20/07/11
IzzyWizzyletsgetbusy 14+6 EDD 26/11/11 next scan 09/06/11
Blackkat 13+6 EDD 5/12/11 Next scan 26/07/11
Jigglebum 13+3 EDD 8/12/11
Minnie74 13+1 EDD 12/12/11
Lucky 11+6
Dooscooby 11+3 EDD 22/12/11 next scan 9/6/11
Harassed 10+6 EDD 26/12/11 next scan 10/6/11
Hadrian 10+3 Next scan - 13/06/11
Updiffed 9+1 Next scan - 8/06/11
Bump 8+1
Hairylights 7+6
Lily06 7+2
Pigletmania 7+1
Laylasmummy09 7

On the grads thread too:

Nickster 31+1 EDD 7/8/11
Orange 27+1 EDD 4/9/11
Wombat33 26+1 EDD 10/09/11
Daisybell 25+3 EDD 14/09/11
Pinkfondantfancy 24+1 EDD 25/09/11
Tiggersreturn (TTT) 23+5 EDD 26/09/11
mamapower 23+4 EDD 28/9/11
Emoo 22+3 EDD 7/10/11
Onions 19+6 EDD 24/10/11 Next Scan 07/06/11
Velvetcu 19+5 EDD 25/10/11 next scan 22/06/11
MummyAbroad 18+2 EDD 4/11/11

In our thoughts and prayers
Dachs whose beautiful little babies Alexander & Felicia left this world sleeping

Thinking of.... ladybee; digi; A&R; barbie; MumTum; Knitter, Kat2504

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Velvetcu · 05/06/2011 20:49

Hellooo izzy I'm glad you had a lovely holiday. Good luck with your scan, it must be stressful for you ATM but hopefully you can relax a bit afterwards.

milky how on earth did you manage to double the post limit on a thread lol Grin

How is everyone else? I'm wishing away the days til my next scan. Having a bit of a freakout coz mil called to say she has bought us some baby stuff from a bootfair but I'm really not ready for all that!

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YouremindmeoftheBFP · 05/06/2011 20:58

Check me out being all brave. waves to all, feel sick and tired, and have this horrible feeling I've put on half a stone through nausea eating and lack of exercise. I feel like a fatty. Off to bed now.

izz hope you had a lovely time.

milky god knows how you managed that trick!

Sunday 5th June

ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts 23+1 EDD 01/10/11
Lovemysleep 21+5 EDD 11/10/11
Tunnocksteacake 20+0 EDD 24/10/11
IreneHeron 19+5 EDD 23/10/11
CEP 18+1 EDD 5/11/11 - 20 wk scan 22/6/11
Hils74 17+4 EDD 8/11/11
Katherine2008 17+3 EDD 10/11/11 next scan 23/6/11
Haffertee 17+1 EDD 14/11/11
Ninunina: 16+5 EDD 15/11/11
delilahbelle 16+3 EDD 22/11/11
Mattsmama 16+3 EDD 17/11/11
CollieandPup 16 EDD 20/11/11 next scan 06/20/11
Banana87 15+5 EDD 22/11/11
wombatinwaiting: 15+3 EDD 24/11/11 next scan 8/6/11
LaraMi 15+2 EDD 25/11/11 Next scan 20/07/11
IzzyWizzyletsgetbusy 14+6 EDD 26/11/11 next scan 09/06/11
Blackkat 13+6 EDD 5/12/11 Next scan 26/07/11
Jigglebum 13+3 EDD 8/12/11
Minnie74 13+1 EDD 12/12/11
Lucky 11+6
Dooscooby 11+3 EDD 22/12/11 next scan 9/6/11
Harassed 10+6 EDD 26/12/11 next scan 10/6/11
Hadrian 10+3 Next scan - 13/06/11
Youremindmeofthebabe 9+3 scan 22/6/11
Updiffed 9+1 Next scan - 8/06/11
Bump 8+1
Hairylights 7+6
Lily06 7+2
Pigletmania 7+1
Laylasmummy09 7

On the grads thread too:

Nickster 31+1 EDD 7/8/11
Orange 27+1 EDD 4/9/11
Wombat33 26+1 EDD 10/09/11
Daisybell 25+3 EDD 14/09/11
Pinkfondantfancy 24+1 EDD 25/09/11
Tiggersreturn (TTT) 23+5 EDD 26/09/11
mamapower 23+4 EDD 28/9/11
Emoo 22+3 EDD 7/10/11
Onions 19+6 EDD 24/10/11 Next Scan 07/06/11
Velvetcu 19+5 EDD 25/10/11 next scan 22/06/11
MummyAbroad 18+2 EDD 4/11/11

In our thoughts and prayers
Dachs whose beautiful little babies Alexander & Felicia left this world sleeping

Thinking of.... ladybee; digi; A&R; barbie; MumTum; Knitter, Kat2504

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IzzyWizzyletsgetbusy · 05/06/2011 22:11

Yay to yrmotb for joining the list!!! I am also suffering from lack of exercise, mainly because I was so tired and feeling rubbish for the first trimester but now that's worn off a bit I really need to get into gear again. How was Scotland?

velvet that would freak me out too, ask her to keep it at her house for a bit until you're ready. I keep "watching" things on eBay and then not daring to bid because I can't face it! Think I might try again if I get to 20 weeks.

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Blackkat · 05/06/2011 22:19

Izz glad you had a good holiday and found the HB today, great to have you back. Hope this week passes uneventfully for you. X

YAY Grin YRMOTB so great to see you on the list, takes a bit of courage I think, but nice to see the days tick round. Good to hear you're feeling puky and I'm sure you won't have put that much weight on, it just feels odd doesn't it?

Velvet tsk at the MIL, sure she will understand that she needs to keep it at hers. Both my Mum and MIL are under strict instructions not to buy anything (or if they do not to tell us). My Mum keeps mentioning knitting patterns ....groan

Wishing you all good weeks

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mamarara · 05/06/2011 22:34

Hey ladies

Thanks for setting up new thread.
Good luck for scan izzy.
And hello to everyone! Hope you've had a good weekend.

I am going to be brave and add myself to the list if that's ok? Miserable denialism is no fun and won't make another mc any less likely. So have decided to try and accept being pregnant. And dare I say..try to enjoy it a bit.

Gulp.

Sunday 5th June

ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts 23+1 EDD 01/10/11
Lovemysleep 21+5 EDD 11/10/11
Tunnocksteacake 20+0 EDD 24/10/11
IreneHeron 19+5 EDD 23/10/11
CEP 18+1 EDD 5/11/11 - 20 wk scan 22/6/11
Hils74 17+4 EDD 8/11/11
Katherine2008 17+3 EDD 10/11/11 next scan 23/6/11
Haffertee 17+1 EDD 14/11/11
Ninunina: 16+5 EDD 15/11/11
delilahbelle 16+3 EDD 22/11/11
Mattsmama 16+3 EDD 17/11/11
CollieandPup 16 EDD 20/11/11 next scan 06/20/11
Banana87 15+5 EDD 22/11/11
wombatinwaiting: 15+3 EDD 24/11/11 next scan 8/6/11
LaraMi 15+2 EDD 25/11/11 Next scan 20/07/11
IzzyWizzyletsgetbusy 14+6 EDD 26/11/11 next scan 09/06/11
Blackkat 13+6 EDD 5/12/11 Next scan 26/07/11
Jigglebum 13+3 EDD 8/12/11
Minnie74 13+1 EDD 12/12/11
Lucky 11+6
Dooscooby 11+3 EDD 22/12/11 next scan 9/6/11
Harassed 10+6 EDD 26/12/11 next scan 10/6/11
Hadrian 10+3 Next scan - 13/06/11
Youremindmeofthebabe 9+3 scan 22/6/11
Updiffed 9+1 Next scan - 8/06/11
Bump 8+1
Hairylights 7+6
Mamarara 7+3
Lily06 7+2
Pigletmania 7+1
Laylasmummy09 7

On the grads thread too:

Nickster 31+1 EDD 7/8/11
Orange 27+1 EDD 4/9/11
Wombat33 26+1 EDD 10/09/11
Daisybell 25+3 EDD 14/09/11
Pinkfondantfancy 24+1 EDD 25/09/11
Tiggersreturn (TTT) 23+5 EDD 26/09/11
mamapower 23+4 EDD 28/9/11
Emoo 22+3 EDD 7/10/11
Onions 19+6 EDD 24/10/11 Next Scan 07/06/11
Velvetcu 19+5 EDD 25/10/11 next scan 22/06/11
MummyAbroad 18+2 EDD 4/11/11

In our thoughts and prayers
Dachs whose beautiful little babies Alexander & Felicia left this world sleeping

Thinking of.... ladybee; digi; A&R; barbie; MumTum; Knitter, Kat2504

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milkyways · 06/06/2011 10:36

Hi all, sorry about that spam again, that was so strange. Anyway, had a good scan again, the bababy was measuring on target. I should feel relieved, but I just feel like I am waiting for something bad to happen. Hope everyone is well.

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Blackkat · 06/06/2011 10:59

milkyways so pleased you had a good scan. Smile
It's tought to shake that feeling..one day at a time is all you can do.
I thought the 1000+ posts were funny, bet it confused the hell out of the IT bods Grin

Mamarara Great to see you on the list Grin I think your approach is a great one.

Looks about for Collie and Lara and wonders if anyone's heard from CEP??

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dooscooby · 06/06/2011 11:51

fab scan news milky. Think there are a few of us scanning this week - fingers crossed for us all.

Thanks for the new thread blackkat - it feels much tidier in here now too!

Welcome to the list YRMOTB and mamarara

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LaraMi · 06/06/2011 12:49

Hello, hello !

Blackkat, my lovely, how was your scan? I couldn't scroll all the way back through Milky's mammoth posts to find out!! (Loved what you did there, btw Milky - I am sure 1001 is the max number of posts - you're truly genius in an IT-defeating, Gary McKinnon kinda way). Looking at the above, has the gap between us both INCREASED Blackkat? How did that happen?

As per a post I just made on the pregnancy thread, am feeling uber-in-between at the mo... I just don't feel enough of anything to feel pg. Trying to console myself with the fact that my hol is only a few weeks away and then I will come back and "only" have three weeks (aherm) to "kill" until my scan....

If one more person I know says I have a "pregnancy glow", I will smack 'em... a) I am olive-skinned and so not exactly ever "pale" and b) as it's supposed to be almost summer, I tend to wear lots of bright things anyway so of course I have a bloody glow!

Well done on adding yourself to the list "Mamarara"...

Famished - off to heat up my ravioli....

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CollieandPup · 06/06/2011 12:58

Afternoon all,

Thanks blackkat for the shiny new thread, i hope this is a luckier and happier one than the last - i'm never starting one again as i started the last and i'm sure it was the saddest in the history of the freak out room!

PMSL milky at the thousands of posts you made!! I thought my phone was doing something strange this morning!! LOL thinking about the IT bods scratching their heads!! Grin

Yay milky for great scan glad it went well. What did you measure? Feeling brave enough to join the list?

YAY to yrmotb and mamarara for adding yourselves to the list. yrmotb I felt like I was eating my weight in food, and am really quite big already so was quite Shock to find I?ve only really gained 3-4 pounds?..although that was almost 2 weeks ago and the eating has continued!!

Good luck to scanners this week! Anyone not on this list that also has a scan?

Hope everyone had a nice weekend? Brian has truly made himself at home with me now! I?d been told of a nearly new baby sale, on another thread for people expecting in Manchester. Made lovely plans with mum to go yesterday, and then to have coffee after. Drove all the way to the other side of Manchester ? a good 30 miles, to find everything closed ? it was Saturday, not Sunday!! Doh!! [Blush] To make up for it though we did make a trip to mamas and papas and I got a couple of mat clothes in the sale and a cute baby sleeping bag thingy (Brian again). Actually, trying on the mat clothes really freaked me out as they have cushion bumps you can tie around your belly to see how you?ll look later on in your pg. I did it and it freaked me out. Mum loved it, but I just got all upset as I just can?t actually believe that I?ll get to that stage!

Also had a bit of a breakdown on Saturday as I caught a glimpse of my neighbour who is due a couple of weeks after I would have been had I not mc last time. She looked in full bloom and I just couldn?t help but think of her baby and mine. I felt so stupid and not to mention selfish afterwards, as I know I should be so so grateful for being updiffed, especially after recent events on here and knowing other people are still ttcing after mc, but it just made me so Sad

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CollieandPup · 06/06/2011 12:59

How are you hun? I PM'd cep the other day, think shes lurking, just not posting.

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CollieandPup · 06/06/2011 13:05

lara I wish people would stop staring at my belly!!!! One woman in particular!!! No, I've not eaten too many pies (well maybe) and yes I am pregnant!! If her hands come wondering they'll be trouble!!!

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LaraMi · 06/06/2011 13:06

Aww Collie - can fully relate to how you felt. DH's colleague just gave birth and was due the same time we were due first time round, when I had my MC. I am trying to be positive and say that by the time our little ones arrive, their babies won't be newborn any more (not that that means anything of course but it's a messed up way to reassure myself).

BTW, have any of you ladies thought about how long you're taking off on mat leave? (trying to think nice thoughts to stop me feeling so depressed about being so "in between")

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dooscooby · 06/06/2011 14:19

Any ladies out there get more stretching type pains around 11/12 weeks? Mine have really ramped up the last few days, makes me feel a bit cautious when it happens when I'm walking, feel like I have to walk really slowly!

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LaraMi · 06/06/2011 14:40

Hey Doo (am bored today - can you tell?!)... Don't stress... I still get little bouts of stretchedy-ness-ment! Tends to last for a few days and then disappears. Then a week later the pains emerge somewhere else. Not really pain, just discomfort. And for some reason, when I cough now, it hurts on my right or left hip...! Good news is that my cough-wees have disappeared for now (or maybe that's just cos my cough's gone...)

Bollox am bored....

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Blackkat · 06/06/2011 14:48

Scooby stretchy pains seem normal, my m/w told me if it felt like I'd a stitch then that was the uterus stretcing, apparently it grows about a cm a week. I also get stretchy pains when I'm walking and do walk a bit slower just to compensate for them.

Lara the scan went fine thanks, well after the 20 minutes we spent watching the acrobatic show Bean was determinded to put on. Dates all spot on and nuchal measurement was 1.6 so FX for the combined results which the midwife will call me with next week.
I certainly didn't lose any days which implies I fecked the list up when I posted yesterday, I'm 14 today, what are you?? I don't feel preg either, just showing a bit and felt like a fraud shopping for clothes. I'm thinking of taking a full year for mat leave and have been saving like mad to make that possible for ages.


Collie glad that Cep is ok. Good idea to PM hadn't even thought of it. Your baby brian story made me laugh. Grin At least you got to spend some time with your Mum. I've just got back from M&P's with some blimp trousers and a swimming costume (my Speedo looked indecent). I wish I'd read your post before I went in the changing room, now I know what those podgy cushion things are, for FFS I am so dim sometimes.


Collie I agree, given how sad our last thread was, I figured we needed the extra calm of the zen terrace as an addition to the FO room so I'm off out there now with a cup of tea. Smile

to everyone

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LaraMi · 06/06/2011 14:57

BLACKKAT - - feels like forever since we've spoken!

I need to get a swimming thingy for Dubai... Was thinking of a tankini... think I'll look hideous in a normal cozzie. Did you think those cushions were to sit on?

I also plan to take a full year off. We too have been saving like mad. My maternity pay is pretty shoddy so we've effectively saved the equivalent of my salary after tax (one of the few plus sides of conception having taken so long). DH just booked off the whole of December (the sneaky sod has been saving his leave) because his boss (who he likes) is about to leave and he thought that if he didn't do it now, he might not be able to book his leave in one block later. So with his paternity leave, he'll hopefully be home for 6 weeks. It actually makes me quite terrified though - I mean, what if I MC now after he's booked all that "family time" off?! Gahhh

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LaraMi · 06/06/2011 15:01

Monday 6th June

ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts 23+2 EDD 01/10/11
Lovemysleep 21+6 EDD 11/10/11
Tunnocksteacake 20+1 EDD 24/10/11
IreneHeron 19+6 EDD 23/10/11
CEP 18+2 EDD 5/11/11 - 20 wk scan 22/6/11
Hils74 17+5 EDD 8/11/11
Katherine2008 17+4 EDD 10/11/11 next scan 23/6/11
Haffertee 17+2 EDD 14/11/11
Ninunina: 16+6 EDD 15/11/11
delilahbelle 16+4 EDD 22/11/11
Mattsmama 16+4 EDD 17/11/11
CollieandPup 16+1 EDD 20/11/11 next scan 06/20/11
Banana87 15+6 EDD 22/11/11
wombatinwaiting: 15+4 EDD 24/11/11 next scan 8/6/11
LaraMi 15+3 EDD 25/11/11 Next scan 20/07/11
IzzyWizzyletsgetbusy 15+0 EDD 26/11/11 next scan 09/06/11
Blackkat 14+0 EDD 5/12/11 Next scan 26/07/11
Jigglebum 13+4 EDD 8/12/11
Minnie74 13+2 EDD 12/12/11
Lucky 12+0
Dooscooby 11+4 EDD 22/12/11 next scan 9/6/11
Harassed 11+0 EDD 26/12/11 next scan 10/6/11
Hadrian 10+4 Next scan - 13/06/11
Youremindmeofthebabe 9+4 scan 22/6/11
Updiffed 9+2 Next scan - 8/06/11
Bump 8+2
Hairylights 8+0
Mamarara 7+4
Lily06 7+3
Pigletmania 7+2
Laylasmummy09 7+1

On the grads thread too:

Nickster 31+2 EDD 7/8/11
Orange 27+2 EDD 4/9/11
Wombat33 26+2 EDD 10/09/11
Daisybell 25+4 EDD 14/09/11
Pinkfondantfancy 24+2 EDD 25/09/11
Tiggersreturn (TTT) 23+6 EDD 26/09/11
mamapower 23+5 EDD 28/9/11
Emoo 22+4 EDD 7/10/11
Onions 20+0 EDD 24/10/11 Next Scan 07/06/11
Velvetcu 19+6 EDD 25/10/11 next scan 22/06/11
MummyAbroad 18+3 EDD 4/11/11

In our thoughts and prayers
Dachs whose beautiful little babies Alexander & Felicia left this world sleeping

Thinking of.... ladybee; digi; A&R; barbie; MumTum; Knitter, Kat2504

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