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smashedinductionhob Mon 13-Mar-17 21:14:27

So I can look my kids in the face.

Do you think China will take the lead?

RosaRosaRose Sat 18-Mar-17 22:54:32

Well done for starting this thread.
There are people here in the UK who have been working, for years, to react to climate change.
Working together we can make a difference.
Here, now, each one if us can make a difference by switching our domestic supply to a green energy supplier.

Smashedinductionhob Sun 19-Mar-17 10:08:08

What a great reply.

I have an ecotricity account.

Customer service is excellent.

Rockaby Sun 26-Mar-17 13:01:10

Oh exciting that we have a Climate Change board now!

Thanks for starting this thread.

We need to change our energy provider. Thanks for the reminder.

smashedinductionhob Thu 30-Mar-17 21:16:43

seems like ironically Trump's latest activities have galvanised people and reignited the topic.

7Days Thu 30-Mar-17 21:22:33

I think that's the silver lining of the Trump circus. So much stuff can now not be swept under the carpet.
Climate change is frightening. So i try to keep positive.

Amibambini Sun 02-Apr-17 08:28:21

Wonder how long it will take for someone to come along and FILL the thread with reams and reams of convoluted non-data from Wattsupwithat or wherever they get their nonsense from in attempt to shut down the conversation?

PhoenixJasmine Sun 02-Apr-17 08:29:38

Oh hello when did this appear?

Amibambini Sun 02-Apr-17 08:31:48

And why is climate change not a conversation out there in general mumsnet land? Is it too depressing to think about? Still a bit too far off? Recognising it would mean facing up to your own complicity in our western over consumption and general selfish habits?

PhoenixJasmine Sun 02-Apr-17 10:15:13

Ambi you could say that about almost every other topic board surely. Feminism for starters.

smashedinductionhob Sun 02-Apr-17 10:39:45

Ami, it used to be more every day.

I ran an FOE group for 5years and getting the climate change act was a big step forward.

I'm not aware of much ideological backlash in the uk, more just people (MPs) saying "look, I have to prioritise jobs".

smashedinductionhob Sun 02-Apr-17 16:45:54

This article is about Brexit but it explains the why we have not yet succeeded on the climate change issue beautifully

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/01/outrage-makes-you-feel-good-but-doesnt-change-minds

MercyMyJewels Tue 04-Apr-17 12:35:18

Just started reading "This Changes Everything" by Naomi Klein. Anyone read it?

amicissimma Thu 06-Apr-17 14:46:49

"Wonder how long it will take for someone to come along and FILL the thread with reams and reams of convoluted non-data from Wattsupwithat or wherever they get their nonsense from in attempt to shut down the conversation?"

OK, this is a single-view only thread, no different opinions allowed, even if based on facts? Thanks for the heads up.

Amibambini Wed 12-Apr-17 17:40:17

Apologies for disappearing for a while there, busy mumming and working etc. But unless the thread gets denier-flooded, it looks like it could be a long slow burner chat anyway.

PhoenixJasmine - in my experience on mumsnet (around 4 years), I've found feminism to be routinely discussed in many different conversations, not just on the Feminism board which has 5 sub-pages, of one; 'Feminism Chat' having 189 threads in it.

Yet climate change, the thing that will probably fuck about with our lives and most definitely fuck our childrens lives - tumbleweeds. Feminism in a post-stable-climate world, that's an interesting and depressing thing to think about. I have a feeling that hard won rights and general civil liberties will go once the instability of mass migration and resource depletion kicks in, it will be back to survival of the fittest, and by fittest I mean strongest and most violent.

Oh wait I've just re-read your post and maybe you meant the flooding with non-data?

Smashedinductionhob - thanks for that, will have a read.

MercyMyJewels - no, not read that but I am reading Rebecca Solnit's Hope In The Dark which is pretty good so far.

amicissimma - I totally don't mind a differing view, in fact I would love to be convinced that human driven climate change isn't happening but no-one has ever shown me anything that doesn't stink of Koch funding and their ilk. And it's never a conversation, it's just being droned at for pages and pages and pages and pages of cherry picked weirdness interspersed with arrogant calls to 'wake up sheeple!!'. Look at any Cif thread in The Guardian about pretty much any environmental issue. If the thread is open, it's swamped by just utter bonkersness. Like, people send death threats to climate scientist!! Death threats. WTAF. Shit, just being an environmental activist in a few countries will get you killed, 2015 saw 189 activist killed, 50 in Brazil alone. Not that I'm saying climate change deniers are killers but I am saying that when large money making extractive industries come up against opposition things can and do get really dirty.

Anyone got a theory about deniers?

Mine is that for some deniers, the threat of climate change is actually pretty plausible to them and deep inside they can see it and they get it but it's SO TERRIFYING and that to both acknowledge the cause and accept what humanity has to do to change the outcome would mean thinking in ways that is in fundamental opposition to their personal ideology and world view. So they grasp at anything that avoids that mind shift. Desperately, loudly and in ever more creative cognitive dissonant circles.

Anyway, I gotta go pick up my kid.. see you in this very quiet conversation soon.

Rockaby Thu 13-Apr-17 09:37:12

ami

I don't want to contradict you, as I think we are on the same page so to speak. However, I've seen Climate Change discussed a lot on AIBU, as it should be imo. There is even a thread to do with climate change / environmentalism on the one child family board!

Climate Change is discussed, more and more, IRL too I've noticed. I just spent a weekend away with friends and much of the conversation revolved around environmentalism and sustainability. This is a group of people who I have almost never heard mention climate change before.

ourkidsclimate Fri 21-Apr-17 19:34:22

Definitely think parents could be a force to be reckoned with on climate change. Kids born today will be in their 30s in 2040 when the worst impacts of climate change are expected. Have set up a parents group - called Our Kids Climate - with some other Mums. It's very new, but it aims to bring Mums, Dads and Grandparents together to take action on climate change. We're sharing information and petitions. There's some really strong parents groups internationally - Parents Roar in Sweden and Moms Clean Air Force in the States. Facebook page here - www.facebook.com/ourkidsclimateuk/

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