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Anyone who's child wears insoles for flat feet, please help!

(18 Posts)
fuzzypeach Sun 05-Jul-09 17:51:20

Hi, DD1 (4) has got flat feet (and something called benign hypermobility syndrome, which from what I gather means she is very flexible - I dont know if this goes hand in hand with the flat feet or not as I am a bit rubbish about asking the significance of these things!) anyway, she had some insoles a good few months ago which we put in her shoes and they were fine.
When her shoe size has grown to size 9 she got new insoles, and we have been today to try and get her fitted for some new shoes. The new insoles step seems to be much higher, and every single shoe we tried on her was not deep enough for the insole. We went to 2 different clarkes and another specialist childrens shoe shop.

So my questions are, where do you get your shoes from? Do you have this problem? and does anyone know if the insoles are just made to a standard depth, or can they come in different ones?!

Sorry if I am asking really stupid questions, I am not the sharpest tool in the box it has to be said!

Thanks

FluffyBunnyGoneBad Sun 05-Jul-09 17:53:28

Ds has half shoe insoles, they fit inside startrite shoes, they don't appear to be helping him though.

fuzzypeach Sun 05-Jul-09 18:00:40

Yes these ones are half the size of the shoe, if thats the same? Even the startright ones werent deep enough though...

FluffyBunnyGoneBad Sun 05-Jul-09 18:05:03

Have you tried boots?

To be honest, if they are not fitting her shoes any more then they need to make her some. Can you give them a call tomorrow and see what they suggest?

It's a pain isn't it? ds has the same problem, we get through loads of pairs of shoes.

FluffyBunnyGoneBad Sun 05-Jul-09 18:05:22

Have you tried boots?

To be honest, if they are not fitting her shoes any more then they need to make her some. Can you give them a call tomorrow and see what they suggest?

It's a pain isn't it? ds has the same problem, we get through loads of pairs of shoes.

fuzzypeach Sun 05-Jul-09 18:06:57

Yes think I will have to ring them and make another appointment, its just annoying as there is a 6 week waiting list, and I need to find her some shoes she can wear for school. hmm, PITA!!

FluffyBunnyGoneBad Sun 05-Jul-09 18:09:48

What about sandles? The school won't mind if you send a note explaining it's for medical reasons. There must be some that have buckles?? Anything would be better then nothing.

fuzzypeach Sun 05-Jul-09 18:25:16

thats a good idea, thanks

cory Mon 06-Jul-09 08:42:38

Hi! Both my children have hypermobility syndrome. Flat feet are part of that, or at least can be.

Ds wears piedro boots from the orthopaedic department and has his insoles in those. Trainers is another idea; school has to accept them if you send in a medical note.

fuzzypeach Mon 06-Jul-09 10:06:34

cory - can I ask you what it has meant in terms of exercise etc for your children...does it stop them doing things, as the info I was given was confusing - podiatrist said that she will get tired easily, and her legs will ache a lot after exercise, but that people with the condition make excellent ballerinas & gymnasts (but surely you cant wear the insoles in ballet shoes? plus dd's legs always seem to hurt more the night after she has had ballet lessons.....) and does it get any better?! sorry for the questions!

3littlefrogs Mon 06-Jul-09 10:09:10

Ds has to wear trainers with his orthotics - they fasten higher up his foot IYSWIM.

cory Mon 06-Jul-09 20:52:43

afaik, there are two different things:

hypermobility and hypermobility syndrome

hypermobility is when your joints bend in unusual directions- basically a good thing for ballet and many sports, though a lot of bendy people end up having to give them up in the end because of frequent injuries/overstrain

hypermobility syndrome is when you have bendyness+symptoms, e.g. ankle pain, a tendency to dislocate joints etc

it is totally individual how much you are affected: some children grow out of their pain very quickly or are able to stay symptom free with the help of insoles and/or physio: others have varying degrees of disability

I have very few symptoms, but my right wrist is weak so there are certain movements I avoid, e.g. writing with a thin biro

my Mum has also always been able to stay active but has found it difficult to kneel and use her knees, so has just avoided those kind of activities- but is very fit for her 77 years

my dd (12) has had problems since she was 7, of varying severity, from sore ankles to not being able to sit upright due to lower back pain; we are now on some sort of even keel, but she is basically disabled and probably always will be: she can only walk short distances and takes a wheelchair to school for back-up; she has also had problems with incontinence, and her immunity is quite low because she is often tired and in pain; she is also prone to falling and has poor balance so uses the lift at school; but she has done ballet on and off over the last 5 years and she is an excellent swimmer, so it's not all gloom and doom

ds (9) plays football and is very active, but does have spells of ankle or hip pain; his wrists get quite sore, so he finds it difficult to manage cutlery or do much writing (school will have to get him a laptop soon)

so it's pretty unpredictable, think dd is some kind of worst case scenario, really

fuzzypeach Mon 06-Jul-09 22:53:27

Gosh, I didnt realise it could be so serious. Thanks for the info Cory. They said that there is a scale on how flexible they are, and DD was the highest on the scale, but he said it would just mean that she would get aching legs... I think I need to ask more questions when we go again. She also walks turning her feet inwards, and is ALWAYS falling over, she is constantly covered in bruises/breaking wrists/fingers - so much so that the HV has even made a visit and phone call follow ups to check our stories match hers!!

cory Tue 07-Jul-09 09:01:14

as far as I am aware, there is no direct correlation between how bendy you are and how much pain you're going to get

ds is more bendy than dd but gets less pain; I think it's because he also has more muscle strength to compensate

dd also gets very tired by the end of the day because it's such a massive effort for her to keep her body together; ds is still jumping up and down by bedtime.

So don't panic- your dd may well be a light case.

Things to look out for are:

lower back pain at the onset of adolescence (not dangerous but may need physio and attention to how she sits)

failure to react to painkillers (something to do with a fault in how nerve signals are transmitted to the brain)

poor healing of wounds (if the skin is also stretchy)

falls: partly because of instability but people with hypermobility syndrome often have really poor proprioception= their brain doesn't really know what their limbs are doing

Swimming is very good exercise, but contact sports are usually not recommended (I do let ds play football though).

You can get exercises to help with proprioception and balance; it's the sort of thing a physio can do for your dd. We are also going to take ds to an occupational therapist to help him with his daily life. Dd had one come into her school and look at everything, from the way she sits in assembly to playtime. It was brilliant. A rheumatologist can refer you to all these people.

The Hypermobility Syndrome Association do have a support forum, but bear in mind that the people who post on a forum are going to be the worst cases, so don't let it get you down.

fuzzypeach Tue 07-Jul-09 22:11:42

Thanks Cory, thats all really helpful thank you x

jafferd Wed 19-Feb-14 14:41:21

Could you advice on which 'orthotic insoles' i can get and from where?
Its for a toddler with flat feet.

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outputgap Wed 26-Jul-17 07:18:23

Ooh, I have two hypermobile ds. The eldest has flat feet and was seen by paediatrician and physio when he was 1 1/2, but neither mentioned insoles. The eldest is now 4 and long since signed off (once he did start walking). Why do your dcs have insoles can I ask? Should I try to get some for ds?

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