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Toddler with trapped wind at night(189 Posts)
Hi, I am new to mumsnet. I have a ds 18 months, who has suffered terrible tummy pain and trapped wind since birth, being unable to sleep for any length of time at night. He has seen so many docs but we are told that he will most likely grow out of it. We have had trials avoiding all sorts of foods but it seems that all food upsets him. I am constantly searching the internet on information on toddlers with abdominal pain and trapped wind and came across a message on mumsnet from Fimbles who has dd, same age as my ds, with near exact symptoms. Alas the message was posted at the end of 2003. I am desperate to find out if fimbles found a cure for her dd but unable to contact her by CAT messaging. If anyone knows or is in contact with fimbles I would be most grateful if you would let her know of my message. If anyone else has any advice to offer please help. My son has recently been started on Lactulose 10 ml twice daily and Senna 10 ml at night. Initially he passed a lot of wind and slept pain-free for 5 nights but his symptoms recurred and he has been in agony again for 2 weeks. There is also a question of silent reflux and he has been on Ranitidine syrup for quite a while but again we are not really sure if this helps. He also now seems to be in pain, holding his bottom, when passing stools which is maybe once or twice a day.
So having read these posts, it seems like me, you're all looking for answers. My LO was emergency C-S as was footling breach. Within 4 weeks diagnosed with "mild" tongue tie at the rear of her mouth (which was finally rectified at ; months) at 7 weeks, I took her to the hospital and refused to leave until the something was done due to her constant crying in pain, blisters on her skin and she was diagnosed with suspected milk allergy. Tried Pepti-junior which helped at first along with Ranitidine. Then as she was still waking, screaming and getting blisters all over her face we tried alphamino which helped the blisters. I also went Dairy free as was breast feeding but struggling to produce enough milk without expressing. She never slept through for more than 2-3 hours at a time. She's now 16 months and still wakes 4-5 times a night, very windy. Tried her on hazelnut milk and for the first time drank a 9oz bottle. Prior to that she only ever drank 3-4 oz's and ate poorly. I've been racking my brains as I'm self employed and struggling to manage. I've decided to try using meals from the candida diet as they are egg, milk and gluten free. I'm avoiding soy as much as possible.
She recently underwent a Beirum meal investigation which just showed an episode of reflux. In desperation I researched every ingredient in alphamino and neocate and surprisingly found this article regarding the DLA and AHA in baby formula. When I contacted neocate manufacturers they also confirmed that their additive was made from the fungus and algae oils.
They are known as Mortierella alpina oil and Crypthecodinium cohnii oil (sometimes listed as M. alpina oil and C. cohnii oil). These oils are extracted from fermented fungus and algae with a neurotoxic chemical solvent. The C. cohnii oil (algae) & M. alpina oil (fungus) used in many infant formulas are treated with hexane solvent, acid, and bleach. Some infants have experienced serious adverse reactions to these additives.
It is now clear that the majority of formulas dairy free and normal have this additive in but I'm unable to find any information on contraindications in the U.K..
How ever in the US... see for yourself. The link is www.cornucopia.org/DHA/DHA_Update_2_09.pdf
Having tried most formulas prior to Neocate and alphamino, I am wondering if it is the formula we are are supplementing our babies with is adding to the difficulties? I'm curious to see what you all have to say? I'm desperate to find an alternative to formula that can help fill my baby which is dairy & soy free. Any suggestions would be welcome
My DD is 14 months old and having severe trapped wind issue since 2 weeks old.
I have tried all kinds of colic drops. Used colief for 1 year. Didn't see much effect but kept on using. Gripe water, herbal tea almost whatever anyone says. First only milk seemed the culprit and so went from breastfeeding to formula. Around 8 different kinds of formulas I tried .... all in vain.
There have been few days between 8 to 10 month which were extremely peaceful and heavenly.
Even same feeds cause gas now 😷
Been to many peads and almost used all kinds of medicines. Now even current pead doctor is speechless.
It does effect a person's lifestyle. I feel like my DD is missing out so much.
I feel for u all ladies. I hope and pray our little ones get rid of this pain.
Hi all, your stories all ring loudly for us too.
I have sympathy and empathy for you parents and your little ones. It's reassuring- that not quite the right word- but normalising, to hear that you are not alone in this. Even to hear that others have been told the same adage of 'they'll grow out of it' which gets a bit tired after a few years...! Our DD is 3 1/2 am deathly has had excessive trapped wind and awful pain since just after weaning (so almost three years now). We had a very sympathetic paed consultant who sent blood samples, stool samples, ultra sounds and barium meal x ray. She's had anti spasmodically mess, ranitide (for silent reflux that we never felt she had), movicol after trying infacol and gripe water. Initially of course trying warm baths, massage, yoga type stretches. We've done various exclusion diets (dairy, wheat, additives). We've seen an NHS dietician (after almost a year asking for a referral and in the meantime spending a lot of money on private nutritionalist appointments and their 'prescribed' food supplements: aloe Vera juice, probiotics etc). Nothing seems to work. She's tired from the draining effect it has on her body and extreme interruptions to her sleep. When she suffers in the day it affects her demeanour so she is trtchy and irrational- rather like how you feel in labour I imagine!!
I am now 6 months pregnant (but fortunately a SAHP at present) and my husband now has a 70 mile commute so we are both exhausted. But mainly want our DD to have a better quality of life day and night. We are considering seeing an osteopath. Or anyone who can help!
Any advice or information very gratefully received.
(Also ought to mention elder children don't have any stomach problems).
Thanks for reading xx
Just thought I'd let u know what just worked for my one year old if anyone's going stir crazy trying to find something to help with the screaming. Bounce them on your knee, really quickly, and short bounces, like when your on a nerve and your leg twitches. It's just turned my screaming crying baby into a snoring one in about 2 minutes.
Hi I'm glad I found this post and feel better that I'm not the only mum going through this Ruby is 3 and a half. Always suffered with her stomach and when she was younger had silent reflux and colic. Best thing was going on to movicol it help her poo as she used to struggle so much although she been on for adleast a year now. She still wakes up in constant pain most nights I have demanded that o be referred back to pediatrician as I am sure she has an intolerance but can't pin point it. I am going mad I hope we get a answer soon stay strong mums and keep going back to GP as you know when there is something wrong with your baby xx
hi, i have had the same problem with my lo. all the drs keep saying is that its colic but i know it isnt so i tryed colief which has worked a treat, you can get it at chemists but a bit expensive and some drs will perscribe it. hope it helps i would recomend you try it, it takes the lactose out of the formula milk. dont know about breast milk? good luck
Harlands11mum I am really interested in your story and wondered what happened?
Found this post very interesting as going through this at the moment what happened with your son?
Gas is a quite common problem among toddlers and rarely a cause for concern. But when gas does not pass easily, it leads to pain and other symptoms that parents understandably want to alleviate as quickly as possible.
Some causes of gas in toddlers include use of antibiotic medications, lactose intolerance, eating foods that increase flatulence, not chewing food thoroughly, swallowing large amounts of air while eating or drinking and not drinking enough water.
Immature digestive tract that results in rapid movement of the food through the digestive tract, not allowing adequate time for absorption is another common reason behind gas in small children.
The first sign of gas pain in a toddler is crying that is sharper, more intense and frantic than their typical cry. In addition, the toddler will be more fussy than usual and may draw his legs up toward the belly, not want to eat, have difficulty sleeping and not have a smooth bowel movement. You may also notice more flatulence and burping than usual.
Not sure why but I've only just seen your post... I usually get an email when someone adds to the thread...
I too had never posted anything before but just had to regarding these issues...
We have since seen a dietitian and she has given us a booklet on how to reintroduce FODMAPs... The leaflet is actually called Reintroducing FODMAPs... It's a good leaflet and guides you on how to reintroduce the foods... Basically you have to do a three day trial with each food and there is space in the booklet for tracking what you do and to make notes of symptoms etc... You then remove the food again and try the next one... Obviously it will take ages so we won't see the dietitian for a good few months again... If you tell your doctor your child is following this diet they too will refer you to a peadiatrician dietitian... Or you could just get the leaflet from somewhere... I will try and find it online for you and come back to you...
I'm so glad you have had such good results like us...
I know that this post is older, but I too dying for answers. My baby had colic and reflux along with a milk and soy allergy. I was breastfeeding and cut multiple things out of my diet, but we still had really bad days. At almost nine months we started neocate and it was a dream. She slept thru the night for the first time ever so I had to make the terribly difficult choice to quit breastfeeding. We started on solids soon after and again started the night waking. I had avoided every single allergen and at 16 months she still drinks three bottles of neocate a day. She currently tolerates blueberries, bananas, turkey, avocado, peas, chicken, carrots and broccoli without any night wakings. Every time i try any new food like beef, ham, grapes, rice, sweet potato, white potato etc, we have a bad night. We have been to a GI specialist multiple times without being any closer to figuring out the problem. We saw an allergist when she was around 14 months and everything came back negative on the scratch test including dairy and soy. I have yet to try these foods with her because when we tried soy formula she vomited profusely for hours. She wants to eat other foods, and I desperately want to oblige. All of you ladies who share my experiences, did your little ones just finally grow out of it like they say?? Please help! I'm a full time night shift nurse trying to keep my little girl out of day care until these issues resolve and I'm beyond the point of exhausted. She is currently on Prevacid and we give her gripe water as well. Sometimes it helps, but not really.
Just an update, we have had a good week and a half, no pain at night and sleeping so much better. Only one or two wakes. He is dairy free and now think the soy formula isn't agreeing with him so trying to find something else as he needs fattening up.
Not sure if it's the dairy free or the antibiotics that helped. Fingers crossed it stays this way.
I feel compelled to write here despite never having done before. I have to say your post has been the best thing I have found on the Internet for a long time. We have had a year of exactly what everyone on here has described, wind at night with my son in pain wailing and writhing around and just no kind of settle sleep. Tried so many different things- dairy free, wheat free, gaviscon from docs and having seen this post before with no real suggestions of a cure I saw your latest post and thought it was worth a try. So glad I did as we have had similar results. After a year of interrupted sleep he now pretty much sleeps through since the day I started following the low fodmap diet with him. Similarly he seems to tolerate cows milk but I am yet to try reintroducing other foods so don't know what the exact triggers are. But, basically, thank you, and I would encourage anyone who has a child struggling with this to give it a go
Yes please let me know how you get in once he has finished the course of antibiotics... I hope it makes a difference for you... But does that mean he has always had this tummy bug if the meds help???... It's all so confusing...
Look forward to an update...
Our test results have come back and our boy has a tummy bug. Our peadiatrician said it can cause tummy cramps but usually diarrhoea so doesn't think it's the problem. She said that people are full of bacteria that doesn't cause any problems. We are about to start 3 days of antibiotics and I'm trying not to get too hopeful. The blood tests also show that something is happening but he has a cough and a cold at the moment so it could be just that. We have to do another blood test in a month when he isn't sick to make sure everything is ok.
I'll let u know how we go.
Ok... Thank you...
Good luck with everything... Try not to worry about the blood test... Easy to say but our little one had to have an op at only a couple of months old so I know how hard it is... He will be fab... They are brave little things... We were way more upset than him... (Beside ourselves actually)... I think he just thought he had a little sleep...
Let us know how you get on...
She also felt his tummy and said it feels fine and as as he is healthy in all other areas she doesn't think that we needs to have an ultrasound on his tummy.
We are in Australia so things might be slightly different.
Our paediatrician appointment was ok. We are doing stool and urine tests to make sure he has no tummy bugs. Also having a blood test to check Iron levels. That's going to be horrible!
She suggested to go on soy formula as he needs to put on weight and I want to stop breastfeeding.
She said to stay dairy free for 3 months and do a food diary.
She also suggested he might have a sleep disorder but I don't think it's that.
She said there aren't any reliable food allergy/intolerance tests you can do at this age.
My neighbour went to a naturopath and they did a finger prick test for allergies so I might try to find out more about that.
Our son is big for his age and on the 99th Centile... But his dad is 6ft 2 and I'm 5ft 7... Please could you let me know what kind of tests they offer as I'd like to go armed with info when our paediatrician appt finally comes through...
Good luck tomorrow...
Such an amazing difference.
If the paediatrician can't help on Thursday then we will try that. I'm guessing she will do a few tests as we have been 3 times already about his crying and pain at night and the next step was to investigate further.
How is your boys weight? Our boy is small for his age although he was born an average size.
Thanks, I'll keep you updated
Basically he is absolutely fine with cows milk... (We use organic)... I was worried too but at just over eleven and a half months he went straight to cows milk and he had been exclusively breastfed until then... He is now thirteen months... I was worried he would react badly to it or the bottle would add air to his stomach but so far so good... As I said earlier it is so much easier just keeping track of his diet rather than both of ours...
I think it's easy for us to think of the obvious ones like a dairy or wheat intolerance but for us it was certain fruit and veg releasing to much gas in his stomach... We are hoping that as he gets bigger he will just grow out of it...
I can't explain the difference in him... He has gone from waking all through the night and screaming in pain to sleeping through from 7.30pm-7.30am... Obviously we still have the occasional teething nights etc...
I think the LOW FODMAP diet seems daunting at first but you can adapt it to everyday life and include things you know he is ok with... Instead of pasta and cous cous etc... He has rice, buckwheat noodles... (Lucky boy... Haha... They are so bland... But ok mixed with bolognese etc...) potatoes and rice pasta etc... And we never give him fruit after lunchtime... So instead of having his fruit at lunch and dinner, he now has it at breakfast and lunch... We also make all the normal dishes like bolognese, stews etc... but replace the onion and garlic etc... with a veg base that he can have... We batch cook for him and have it all portioned up in the freezer... So once it's all cooked it seems easy to feed him everyday... And he can have proper bread at breakfast as he is ok with it... We are so happy just to be sleeping and that he is no longer in pain!!!... We also give him Neuners baby organic tea which we make in the morning and he drinks throughout the day...
Obviously this is our experience and your son could have a different problem or intolerance but I wanted to share our experience in case it helps someone else...
Please keep me posted...
Ahhh... I just lost my long message to you...
Also, is he ok with cows milk? I thought that was something that wasnt tolerated very well? Only asking as I want to wean my little boy.
Wow! I'm just reading through that website and looking over the list of foods to avoid. How horrible! It would be hard for a baby. Fingers crossed we don't have to do that!
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