My reg cert states 5 children under 8 years; of these, not more than 2 may be in the early years age group, and of these, not more than 1 may be under 1 year at any one time
I asked ofsted if that included my own dd and they have said
The maximum numbers of children for whom a childminder may care are as follows:
6 children under 8 years of age; Of these 6, no more than 3 children may be young children (a child is a young child up until 1st September following his or her sixth birthday); Of these 3, normally no more than 1 child may be under 1.
So they have used completely different language in both, does 'early years age group' really take in children up to 6? My dd will have been in full time schooling for 2 years by then , so i need to keep one of the 3 places allowed for her!
1) the certificate is for MINDED children and therefore your own should have been deducted from the full numbers they've agreed you can have (not that they make this very clear!!)
2) I thought it was 31st August following their FIFTH birthday but I'm not at all surprised that Ofsted are saying something totally different. My belief is that the Early Years age group is the new term for Under 5's and like when it used to be that children were classed as an over 5 once they attend FULL TIME school, I think they are classed as outside of the Early Years Group once they attend full time school.
I'll see what others come back with but I'm sure there is some wording somewhere that confirms they can be outside of the Early Years ratios once at school all day?
looneytune, thanks yes, i now understand that my own dd is excluded from those numbers.
At the end of the day my certificate states 'early years age group', I have asked by email to ofsted the definition of 'early years age group' but wouldnt be surprised it i get an even more confusing answer I thought i had read somewhere that when they were in 10 sessions of schooling per week that they were no longer classed in the age group, cant find it though
oo yes it does kind of , states 'birth to 31st aug following 5th birthday is known as early years age group' however my guess is that it probably mean that, unless they are in 10 session of education a week as if not i would be keeping a full time place open for my dd will be at school for 1 year.
I have recently e-mailed Ofsted about this as my daughter will be in full time school in two weeks time, although she wont be 5 until next April.
I wanted my certificate amended to show that she will be in full time school and classed as a rising 5 for ratio purposes. I have received a call back saying that this will be no problem and a new certificate will be forthcoming which will enable me to care for another pre-school child.
Each childminder may care for: ■■ a maximum of six children under the age of eight; ■■ of these six children, a maximum of three may be young children**, however where four- and five-year-old children only attend the childminding setting before and/or after a normal school day, they may be classed as children over the age of five for the purposes of the adult:child ratio;
**4 A child is a young child up until 1st September following his or her fifth birthday.
and that is Appendix 2 Specific legal requirements for ratios of adults to children (as required by page 32 of this document)
but, thinking about it. When that 4 or 5 year old who is in normally in full time school, then needs to be minded in school holidays (and therefore ceases to attend the childminding setting just before and after school), does that mean he counts as a young child again? god this is confusing
ok, so i understand that i can have 2 full time 'early years age group' kids plus my own. But can i fill my own daugthers place whilst she is at preschool? but then i suppose that might cause a problem if she was ill etc, sorry just thinking out loud here
Right, I'm ok with my adhoc reception age child as she's TT only, but what about this one......mindee is 4 and half and attends school all day. They only need someone adhoc in the holidays, does this mean I'm not allowed to have her as she'd then be classed as a Young Child???
it does seem so my dd will be in that position, she starts full time school just after her 4th birthday, so i am presuming seen as she will be here more than just before and after school (as in out of term time) that they will class her as a young child. its very confusing