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Paying childminder whilst child in preschool

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Messedupmind Wed 06-Feb-13 21:30:59

Wanted to get other views and opinions as new to this....

If a childminder has a child normally for a full day, then said child starts a preschool session once or twice a week, if the childminder takes and picks updo they get paid whilst child is in preschool? Basically so parent is paying preschool and childminder?


HSMMaCM Sun 10-Feb-13 13:14:01

I childmind 4 yr olds and follow the same curriculum as the pre school and ensure they mix with children they might go to school with and give parents the 15 funded hours.

ceeveebee Sun 10-Feb-13 12:49:45

Agree - and at that age its free (for 15 hours a week)

13Iggis Sun 10-Feb-13 12:48:23

Well I would want pre-school for a 4 (maybe 3) year old as I think they would also focus on the pre-school curriculum we have here, there is a teacher involved with their learning, and they would be meeting quite a few children who would be going on to the attached primary school. Sometimes it must be easier to just have children of the same age together.

Ginger43 Sun 10-Feb-13 09:49:07

Why send your child to per school if you've got a childminder... Ask her to go to a toddler group or mix with other childminders and their children if you feel that your child needs socialising... But yes you have to pay your cm for wrap round care and give her some respect for her profession.

Titchyboomboom Sat 09-Feb-13 09:02:19

I only charge when I am the standby at the moment

NickNacks Fri 08-Feb-13 12:56:32

What she said ^

HSMMaCM Fri 08-Feb-13 11:50:34

Children who go to school could not be replaced by other children though, as they are in a different age bracket.

13Iggis Fri 08-Feb-13 11:29:29

Childminders who do before/after school care do not charge for the school element. Obviously that is a much longer block, but I can see why someone would therefore ask if they charge for the nursery time.

shesariver Fri 08-Feb-13 10:12:06

Thought this was a site to get some friendly advice and opinions not to get "bullied" into ur way of thinking

No-one has carried out any bullying, a very easy thing to trot out because people have actually disagreed with you. As tanith said, you know why you got the replies you did in response to what you posted.

FlouncingMintyy Fri 08-Feb-13 10:06:11

I think people are possibly being a bit chippy on this thread because, basically, its a bit of stupid question. What does op think the cm is going to say? "Oh that's fine love, just deduct 2 hours fees a day, no problem". Its not really difficult to see that that's just daft so why would you need to elicit other people's views and opinions?

NickNacks Fri 08-Feb-13 09:21:56

If money is tight then why is she looking at a paid pre school spot?

Mrscupcake23 Fri 08-Feb-13 09:02:42

To be fair to the op she was only asking and childcare is very expensive. I am a nanny and get paid when child goes to preschool I do odd bits of batch cooking and other jobs and I am on call. However a lot of the time I am getting paid for nothing and I do love my mornings.

I suppose my mb can afford childcare but I can sort of see where the op is coming from if money is tight. In answer to your question yes you do have to pay.

Blondeshavemorefun Fri 08-Feb-13 08:14:25

Why do you want to send your under 3 (assume this as no funding) to pre school when you have a cm?

As others have said it was your remark about paying cm to do nothing that annoyed the cm's on here

I'm a nanny but the same applies - when charge is at nursery or school I still get paid as I am on call if they fall over /bang head / are sick etc

Sounds to me you would be better off waiting till 3 and funded before using a pre school smile

teenagersmother Fri 08-Feb-13 06:56:59

if you booked a holiday cottage for a week and went out on a day trip would you expect to be charged less as you weren't using it for the day ? Of course not-it has been booked for you for the whole week. Same principle I feel.

You are paying for the childminder to keep the space free for your child. If you choose to then send them elsewhere during that time that should make no difference to the childminder as it's your choice.

Mutley77 Thu 07-Feb-13 23:39:49

Yes I do pay for pre-school and childminder. I think it's perfectly fair enough - by the time she has got home then left to pick up again there isn't really any time left in between! But then I don't see childcare as being about my income/costs, it is about what is fair to the provider and about meeting my child's needs. Unfortunately it is a fact of life that people need paying and it makes no difference to my childminder whether or not this takes a higher percentage of my income - she is still doing a job for me.

doughnut44 Thu 07-Feb-13 23:29:11

I would still be charging although I don't do pre school runs anymore. The reason I stopped was because it disrupted my day. If I took the other children to a playgroup I had to leave early to collect the preschooler - quite often they would fall asleep in the car going to pre school and it was not fair on them having to put them in and out of the car.
I also had to feed the preschooler which cost me the same whether they were in the full day or only paid me for an hourly rate so I was actually losing money - prob not explained that right really.
Then there was petrol costs, travelling time to this about - what if I got stuck in a traffic jam/delayed whatever whatever.
I would say though that i think your little one would be better off staying with the childminder and not going to pre school until the September before they start school - kids are institutionalised early enough in my opinion x

ReetPetit Thu 07-Feb-13 22:17:02

messedup - your comments were really very rude about your childminder - read them back to yourself and see what you think.
you came across as very resentful at having to pay her 'for doing nothing' and made other comments which implied you felt she wasn't deserving of her wages.
if you don't want to use a childminder, don't use one. Childminding is her job. You should treat her with the respect she deserves. She is a self employed person working from her own home providing a service. If you don't wish to use that service, don't.

It is parents with attitudes like yours that makes good childminders want to give it up!!

DontmindifIdo Thu 07-Feb-13 21:55:09

You might be better using a private nursery or preschool at a prep school, most will then mean you can drop off earlier (I drop at 7:45am), then having the childminder pick up from the nursery or preschool. That way you are only paying one care provider at a time.

Some childminders charge a 'retainer' for those hours that are a reduced rate.

or if your DC isn't old enough to get the funded 15 hours, I would see if you can hold your place at the pre-school until your DC is able to get those hours for free.

Tanith Thu 07-Feb-13 21:54:59

Your original question was answered perfectly amicably, Op.

You know why posters became annoyed: the offending comment was quoted a number of times.

marriedinwhite Thu 07-Feb-13 21:53:44

But you have a choice - you don't have to send your child to pre-school.

HSMMaCM Thu 07-Feb-13 21:52:56

Messedupmind - CMs are a bit sensitive at the moment, because we're being.messed around by the government. Feel free to come back and ask advice, we are usually quite friendly.

OutragedFromLeeds Thu 07-Feb-13 21:47:23

'But nothing I can do I suppose just annoying having to pay someone for doing nothing. Childcare costs are enough already! My boss won't be paying me double to make up forit! :0) '

It was that ^ that got everyone's back up, not the original question.

Messedupmind Thu 07-Feb-13 21:45:42

Wow! I only asked a simple question to ask what was the norm - didn't expect people to rant at me the way a lot of u have? Thought this was a site to get some friendly advice and opinions not to get "bullied" into ur way of thinking.

Thanks to those who have given friendly advice and opinions.

Jiddle Thu 07-Feb-13 13:47:23

OP you do know you'll probably also have to pay the CM a retainer to keep the place while you are on holiday too?

OutragedFromLeeds Thu 07-Feb-13 13:32:50

The child being at pre-school isn't comparable to a lunch break.

If you were at work and the computer system went down and this prevented you doing the main bit of your job would you expect your pay to be cut for those hours? You'd still be at work, you'd find little bits to do, tidy up your desk, clean the crumbs from the computer keyboard etc. When the computers came on, you'd get back to work. This is a closer comparison to a childminder/nanny having no children because of school/pre-school.

Childminders do much of their paperwork, training courses, tidying up after mindees, setting up in the morning, shopping for mindess outside of the hours they chrage you for. Would you like a bill for these hours in exchange for not charging while they're at pre-school?

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