post natal problems sorry if TMI but was wondering if anyone else has had this

[slushy06]

I had dc2 3 months ago no stitches required. But anyhow this is the problem every time I try to have a poo the front wall of my vagina seems to collapse and my cervix drops down to the entrance this is starting to make me ill as I find it v difficult to empty my bowels.

This is making sex v uncomfortable and painful I saw a doctor and he said 'everything was normal after just having had a baby and vb always damages the area, either you end up with nasty tears or you stretch beyond endurance and it never goes back again'.

But I didn't have this after ds so what I am asking is have any of you ladies experienced this and if so is there any way to make it better I have seen 6 different health professionals and been referred all through the system all of them said something is wrong but they didn't know what was eventually referred to the senior obestrician I think who said the above comment and discharged me. This is really depressing me now I am currently doing 120 pelvic floors but nothing is helping, any advice.

[wilkos]

no relevant advice but am horrified at what your doctor said, what an idiot. I am very sure you are not alone in this, but it isnt quite normal for this to happen every time you have a number your poor thing.

you need a second opinion, and some wise words from more helpful mumsnetters xx

[wilkos]

number TWO, of course...doh

will keep bumping for you

[reikizen]

How do you know your cervix drops down? Is it a sensation or can you see something?

[claricebeansmum]

This does not sound right at all.

You need to find another GP. Please go and get a second opinion.

[wilkos]

bumpitty bump

[slushy06]

reikizen when I was 15 I had a hemorrhage and that caused me to have a prolapsed cervix it felt the same so I checked and as I use a cap I know where my cervix is and it has moved. It goes back up within about half hour though.

[slushy06]

I know it sounds silly but I didn't want to get a second opinion in case doctor is right and I am being a baby. My gp has argued that I need to see gyni ward but they keep sending me to anti natal with the pg women.

[pushmepullyou]

sounds like it could be some level of prolapse - I ad this after DD.

HOWEVER - mine got much better by the time she was 8 months so please try not to panic too much.

That said, you should definitely be referred to a continence physiotherapist as they can test your muscle strength and give you exercises. In my area you don't have to be referred for this - it is the continence advisory service and you can just ring them up.

I know it's not pleasant, but if you're having trouble going to the loo you may find it helps to either push up on your perineum, or pop a finger into your vagina and basically push your bowel backwards when you're on the loo. This was recommended by my physio and it worked very well once I got over the initial

[wilkos]

you are not being a baby. sounds like your gp is on your side?

[pushmepullyou]

had

[somewhathorrified]

I'm sure there was something like this on Embarrassing illnesses (the TV programme), if it is it can be fixed, but def go get another opinion.

[tasmaniandevilchaser]

you are not being a baby! sounds awful and definitely not normal! [shocked] at this doctor, get a second opinion

[slushy06]

Thanks ladies Wilkos I am sure you are right I will get an appointment and refuse to leave until it is sorted.

pushmepullyou Thanks I will definitely try that luckily I am not squeamish hence using a cap at the moment anything is worth trying to stop my stomach being bad.

[reikizen]

you are not being a baby! He is talking utter shite.

[slushy06]

Thanks again at least now I know it is not normal and now I wont feel silly kicking up a fuss I just thought maybe I had been v lucky after ds and that all ladies just put up with this and that pelvic floors stopped this happening.

[madmissy]

what a awful doctor
get back there for a referral! i hope that things resolve quickly for you

[kitstwins]

I'm shocked at this doctor. Honestly, if a bloke turned up in a GP's surgery and said that his prostate gland was dropping to his anus every time he tried to have a poo he'd be referred in a blink of an eye.

You are NOT being unreasonable or a baby to seek a second opinion. This needs to be sorted and it can be sorted. There's no reason why you should deal with discomfort relating to a daily bodily function. It's not right. The idea that you should somehow suffer this as a penalty/side effect of having children is simply ridiculous. This isn't the middle ages for Christ's sake. I'm beyond enraged at the laziness, lack of empathy and lack of knowledge displayed by this doctor. As I said before, if it was his innards dropping to the floor every time he had a sh!t you can be damned sure he'd refer himself to an expert in the blink of an eye.

Please get a second opinion. It will be easy to resolve with physio but you do need a referral for it. It's important that your body is allowed to recover.

Hope you get the right kind of help and support going forward.

[gorge2003]

i have experience, i had my dd 7 weeks ago and had a prolapsed cervix...it followed her out, also a cystocele, my bladder has dropped into my fanjo (not completely (google it lol)) are u sure its your cervix and its not a cystocele? for the first two weeks i felt like something was trying to come out all the time....it has got better but still feels funny, i cant feel it but i can if i have a poke i would say get yourself re-checked out and make sure its not a cystocele!

[poddy]

Imagine if his balls popped up into his abdomen every time he poohed - I'm sure he'd get THAT sorted pretty quick!

It's typical of a small minority of old-school male doctors who still deny all sorts of things as mere 'womens problems' when in fact they're uncomfortable, treatable and unecessary.

You're not being a baby, you're being sensible to question such an appalling lack of courtesy, care and bedside manner. See if you can see a female doctor - she may be a little more sympathetic.

[Doozle]

Agree, sounds like it might be a cystocele.

[gorge2003]

yeah from my experience doozle it does sound like one!

[slushy06]

gorge thanks I googled it and it sounds exactly like that do you mind me asking if they gave you surgery or did they give you exercises to solve the problem.

I am going to phone up Monday and make an appointment but I will have to wait a week as the female doctor is only in one day a week and my male gp although he will treat woman's problems he prefers his wife to do it so she has more experience and will probably know what it is.

[Doozle]

slushy, for a cystocele, they usually get you to do sets of pelvic floor exercises for a few months which should help. Also they try to get you to stop lifting heavy things and straining in any way.

I understand, if after all else fails and you're finished having children, they look at surgery at that point if necessary ie. it's still affecting you.

[slushy06]

Thanks doozle I really don't want surgery do you know why they wont give surgery if you want more kids is it because it interferes with carrying/catching a baby or because being pg would be likely to undue anything done in the operation.

[memorylapse]

definitely sounds like a cyctocele..where your vaginal wall rather than womb prolapses..I have one and its the front wall thats effected and they wont treat it..in your case it sounds like the rear wall that has prolapsed.
They refused to treat mine with surgery while I was of child bearing age because giving birth would appently undo the good work of the surgery so I will have to wait until Im post menopausal and/or my fanjo falls put