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East Surrey hospital(43 Posts)
Has anyone else heard that East Surrey does not have the capacity to cater for all the pregnant women at the moment? I heard they are sending people to other hospitals - any idea which hospitals they would be?
kozel10 - that is a terrible story. I'm sorry you had to go through that.
I had my dd3 at ESH in May 2005 and I have to say that the care i received was brilliant. te midwiveswere kind, attentive and friendly. my dh was allowed to stay with me all day and i happily left to go home the same day (gave birth at approx 8am got home at approx 4.30pm). It was a very nice experience.
I cannot understand how i could have had such a different experience to you think it is shocking what you went through!!
Good luck with your next birth and well done for the weight loss!!
What a horrible story Kozel. You poor thing.
As far as I know, Haywards Heath is still going - despite rumours that it had closed in Sep last year. It definitely hadn't as I had my DS2 there in Sep 07.
I am faced with the choice of where to have my second child which is due July 09. I had my first at ESH in 2004. I shake at the mere mention of the place.
I was at the time quite overweight and I was treated as a leper throughout every visit. I was a nuisance and disgusting to be drawing on their resources. I had never in my life experienced prejudism or bullying until I became pregnant.
I had to be induced, which they did and then pretty much abandoned me in a room all night. My waters broke and I started contractions through the night. The staff absolutely refused to let me call my husband to let him know I was in labour and I was told he would not be allowed in until 10am the next morning. I laboured the whole night completely on my own (many times on the floor).
Having been induced, my contractions started to occur the next morning with very few breaks in between. I was advised to have an epidural which I accepted. The midwife and the anaesthatist were bickering and arguing for 20 minutes whilst getting ready for this. I was sat up and the epidural was administered. The anaesthatist suddenly swore and said he'd gone in too far. I was warned that I may begin to feel very ill.
I eventually gave birth at 10pm and then was put into a private room where I was left. I began to have excruciating headaches and I couldn't move my neck. My baby kept gagging on mucas. I was never encouraged to feed her or anything so did this on instinct although I didn't know what I was doing. I could barely sit up and kept thinking I was going to faint. I buzzed for help which came eventually and was given two paracetamols and then left till the morning. I was screaming for my husband by now as I was in agony. I was told again that I would not be allowed to call him and he would not be allowed back until visiting time.
The next day, I was told that I would have to go back to theatre to have a blood patch done on my spine. The nurse irritably asked what I wanted her to feed my baby with and got very impatient when I couldn't talk for crying.
I came back from theatre with a drip in each arm and left yet again to cope with my baby alone ( try using the wheeling a crib and two drips to the toilet). Not once was I offered food or even a wash. When I asked, the nurse said that I should have filled out a menu (How? in theatre). She said I'd have to go to the day room to see if there was anything left. I practically crawled there as my husband was told that he wasn't allowed to get anything for me and he was refused entry to the day room anyway. Blood patch hadn't worked (they tried 4 times in the end on seperate occassions). I was moved to a ward. My husband drew the curtains round so that he could help me to attempt to feed whilst laying down, there were other fathers and I desired some privacy as I was struggling. The nurse ripped the curtains back and said that I wasn't allowed to have them closed as it was a security risk
Throughout all of this, my own Mother was understandably beside herself and was reluctant to leave my side. Again, she was allowed very limited access to me.
I had 2 years of severe post natal depression and couldn't bond with baby for 7 months. This all definitley contributed to it. I only wish that I had had the strength to fight for justice but I was so broken and humiliated. Can't believe that I have found the strength to have another child but I could never go back to ESGH. The good news is that I am starting 6 stones lighter this time.
Congratulations, barbamama! Pleased to hear things went so smoothly for you...
My m/w came to do the home assessment yesterday and clarified that the unit had been closed 3 times in the 18 years she'd been m/w. Of course, she didn't mention whether that was 3 times in the last year... Anyway, we're all systems go for a homebirth so hopefully won't have to see the inside of any hospital!!
ESH update - we had our baby boy there this morning. Predictably, after an apparently really quiet week it was very busy - we got the last room. But everything went smoothly and the midwives were excellent. Only noticable effect was we had to wait an hour or so when we got there to get the room but once we were in and established we were fine. Baby was born at 4.22 and we left at 9.00 - but only because we wanted to, they were quite happy for us to stay if we'd wanted, even overnight, and we stayed in the same room the whole time. As I say, I really couldn't fault the 2 midwives involved in our birth and I am very picky! good luck to everyone still to go.
They reckoned the reason it was busy yesterday was everyone psychologically holding out to get to 1st September for the schools. They seemed to be coping fine and the postnatal ward looked quiet and peaceful when I walked past.
Well, how reassuring that things haven't improved since I had DS nearly 8 years ago
I had a c/s and was squished into a 6 bed ward with 8 other women (all recovering from c/s's) because they had all been transferred from the Crawley unit.
Had my m/w appointment yesterday and she said the reason East Surrey had had to close was because there was no more room in the Special Care unit, not because of lack of beds or midwives to deal with women in labour. But she did say they had had to close three times recently, but didn't say over what period she was talking.
Sounds like a good plan - I'll keep you posted on my daily ESH spy runs.
Well, having checked out the independent m/w option, they said they could do the birth and postnatal for £2,000 And the care I had last time with ds was really good - couldn't fault it - it's only me being worried about the lack of resources! So have decided to stick with NHS homebirth and go into East Surrey if the sh*t hits the fan!!
Pleased to hear things are a bit quieter though...
I know, it's so subjective isn't it. Just got back from antenatal day unit again (not busy, delivery ward average apparently) and this time the mw said once you're having 3 painful contractions lasting a good minute or so in 10 minutes - or just phone when you think you need it and come into be checked. I have to say the midwives I've met over the last few days seem to be very good - way better than last time in London hospital.
Sorry - but had to laugh at them saying not to come in until pain is unbearable... btw can't fault care I had once I actually got into delivery suite and I was exceptional BUT have to share when I had dd1 (at esh)- I had been having contractions for about 12 hours when got stronger more painful and quicker rang up - they said come in went in - bright red in face contractions every 5mins - examined me - not even dialated . Sent me home with appointment for next morning - had painful night went in at 9am - women takes one look at me and says ooh quick you're in labour!! then examines me looks disappointed and says not even dialated!! by now can't even move comfortably so what do they do give me a couple of paracetomol and send me down the restaurant!!!! Ended up with me sitting on the floor outside antenatal day unit in floods of tears trying to control strong contractions with paracetomol and breathing while dh flapping about trying to get someone to help!! Eventually got admitted onto maternity ward at 5pm and once they were monitoring me concluded dd was in distress !! Eventually had a emergency c-section at 3.30 the next morning...
Asked when to phone to come in and they said when you feel like you need to as is getting too much. 5 mins apart just a guideline.
Also, community midwife said the closure incident was becasue special care was full so head peadtritician (sp?) closed mat unit as didn't want any more women delivering in case babies needed special care. Not that that helps but interesting to hear.
Latest East Surrey spy report: there again today and wasn't very busy. Friend there yesterday, same. Overheard them saying was very busy 2 weeks ago but had settled down now.
Good question - no idea!! Ds was induced so I have no inkling of what natural/early labour feels like! I guess you just hold on until you feel like you can't go any longer without medical pain relief, perhaps.
Thnaks that's good to know. I am on my second so far more interested in the midwives for the birth bit and am more than happy to go home after 3 hours all being well. I think all postnatal care is average at best these days from what I can tell! As long as it is not downright dangerous like it was for me last time (different hospital).... I don't intend to hang around so good to hear the midwives were good.
Regarding going in late I don't understand (despite being second time!) when you go anyway or how the hell you judge it! Last time they were really sceptical becasue I could talk through the contractions on the phone to them but when I got there i was 5 cm - is this late enough? Do they just mean don't phone until the contractions ahve been going ofr a while?
I had my baby in East Surrey in January and as I recall they did close the unit down to incoming patients just after I had my dd. They also wanted yo send me home 3 hours after delivery which I wasn't ready for as this was my first. I put my foot down and did get a bed. The post natal care was a bit average but still worth going there as the midwives were really good during labour which after all the most important bit.
No - she said that it was basically going to be the luck of the draw. Can't remember whether I mentioned before that she and her partner were told to go in as late as possible as that should apparently reduce the chance of her being sent elsewhere. The only thing is that if EVERYONE goes in as late as possible, that in itself might cause problems...
Did she give any indication as to how likely it is or whether they are still so busy?
My friend is 2 days overdue now and definitely going to E Surrey so will let you know how she gets on.
Just to let you all know that I heard over the weekend from someone who is expecting their baby in two weeks and works at East Surrey that the hospitals to which we might be transferred are in fact Epsom, Brighton or Mayday.
By way of an update on ME (!), I am now looking at a home birth with independent midwives... I think the cost is likely to be prohibitive, but they said as I was so close to my EDD and don't want any postnatal care, they would see if they could do a discounted rate. Hope so! Otherwise, it's an NHS home birth. Think dh has come around to thinking it's the lesser of the two evils, so to speak...
I will try and find the article and post it on here. That is, of course, assuming DH has recycled it!!!
It def said Crawley were taking on all the ante-natal from PRH and ESH. I remember when I went to Crawley for my Ante-natal the MW said they were being re-vamped and a whole floor was going to be dedicated to ante-natal. I read it in a WEST Sussex action paper that comes free trhough teh door. i think it done by the council.
Will let you all know if i find it.
I thought HH was being downgraded rather than closed and it hadn't happened yet.
Hmm didn't know about them re-opening Crawley - was advised to get my scans done there as its not as busy as ES - so couple of weeks ago had my 12 week scan - the place was empty - quite literally we didn't see anyone until we found the scan reception and even then we were the only people in the waiting room - no-one before and no-one after us... how bizarre that they're piling everything onto ES and closing everything else down...
SLD - has the maternity unit at PRH actually closed down? I had only heard that it was under threat and can't find anything in a google search confirming that it has now been shut.
That's interesting - any idea of the time-scale for Crawley re-opening?
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