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When the costs for a Cesarean are preferred over safest first as Mum may wish?

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2020Truthteller Tue 10-Jan-17 14:03:31

Perhaps Mums-to-be need to read the court's decision which some may feel excuses those responsible for deciding budgets overrides what parents may prefer?
Another unborn child starved of oxygen before birth - maybe this government's promise of no-fault compensation ARE just more BS by politicians.

After all, 15 years ago the same considerations were aired by another government - all just BS leaving grieving mums & dads to deal unaided, unfunded and very much alone!

The summary is;
MEDICAL PRACTITIONER — Negligence — Duty to advise — Expectant mother regarded as having high-risk pregnancy due to small stature and diabetes — Doctor not advising of risks of vaginal birth and possibility of delivery by caesarian section — Baby sustaining serious injuries during vaginal delivery — Whether doctor negligent in failing to advise of risks

Supreme Court summary link is; tinyurl.com/jtsp77k

One wonders how many times cost conscious NHS Trusts keep managing the births of severely damaged children?

Is the measure of reasonable risks parental consideration would accept for the mum to be overridden by, what others decide is best in all their (budget) considerations?

smellsofelderberries Sun 15-Jan-17 03:04:57

I am not one bit surprised by this. I always felt like my medical care was issued on cost basis and not clinical presentation. I have had friends who have had stillbirths/almost lost babies due to hospitals looking more at their budgets than the patient. I moved to Australia in my third trimester of my pregnancy and my antenatal care was worlds apart. The support I had here has been second to none, and it's all free at the point of care, just like the NHS.

The thing that amazes me is that preventative healthcare is so much cheaper than treating people when they're already sick, so with these cost cutting measures, in the long term it's actually costing the NHS so much more. And ruins people's lives in the process angry

RedToothBrush Sun 15-Jan-17 18:49:19

Its not just the costs. Its the political and ideological preference of some against women.

A report has just come out this week about the causes of birth trauma. The main cause has been concluded to be the way in which HCP treat women. It cites there being four themes:
Four themes were identified in the data: ‘prioritising the care provider’s agenda’; ‘disregarding embodied knowledge’; ‘lies and threats’; and ‘violation’.

bmcpregnancychildbirth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12884-016-1197-0

Even where there is no physical harm to babies or mothers, there is still psychological harm being done by a failure to fully involve women about decisions and information about the care they are receiving.

2020Truthteller Tue 17-Jan-17 10:44:44

The issues many may overlook is that IT IS cash rather than Quality driven targets.

Sadly the latest and Newest Nastier than Nasty Party appears more concentrated and determined to mislead, deceive any as they value only money and not humanity for the unborn, sick with cancer or anything that detracts from their financials.

It's sadly just merely in their DNA; to be money only considerate constantly forgetting cheapest possible is nearly always expensive for someone, someone else!

Is it just the measure of sufferings - life and appropriate treatment versus, cash not spent! And wow, how nasty is the language money saved talks!

None are expecting a Hollywood celebrity birth just the best for them without the avoidable risks and without predetermined limited available treatment purely for politicians to count money not being spent and disingenuous, mendacious statements claiming costs-saved!?

Picklingaround79 Fri 20-Jan-17 21:39:37

Thanks for posting the link to that report.
This finding speaks volumes...

"Of the 943 participants, 748 (79%) responded to the qualitative question ‘describe the birth trauma and what you found traumatising’. A third of respondents de- scribed events such as premature labour, haemorrhage or concerns regarding their baby’s wellbeing. However, the majority (66.7%) described care provider actions and interactions as the traumatic element in their experience."

Peregrina Sat 21-Jan-17 15:11:04

Thanks for the link to that report Red. Although it's a long time since I gave birth, this is the first time I have seen this in writing:
In some cases, women became learning resources for hospital staff to observe or practice on.
That was exactly how I felt. I remember thinking that they would have been so much happier without me being involved! For me this led to women may choose to birth at home to avoid repeating a traumatic hospital experience. Or of course, in some cases a woman may chose a CS.

I note their oldest participant was 77. I am not that old, nor have I spent years being upset about it, but feelings don't go away in a hurry. I don't think DM ever fully got over the birth of my DB.

Peregrina Sat 21-Jan-17 15:14:24

Some of those stories are truly shocking.

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