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Dr made me feel rubbish about c section

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smidge1717 Thu 10-Jul-14 14:40:19

Dear all

Last week at 36+6 I had to have a scan as midwife was worried about growth of baby. Had scan baby size is perfect but it was discovered he was breech, at all previous appointments i had been told he was head down!

A bit of a shock; and then a registrar came in and just talked at me about ECV and I reluctantly agreed to have it today.

After researching it over the past week and speaking with people I decided I just didnt feel comfortable having ECV. I spoke with my midwife earlier in the week and she said that is fine and quite a few women decide against it and have a c section as a c section is now considered safer than giving birth to a breech baby. She said I was to still attend appointment today as they would need to go through info about c section.

When I went for app all the midwifes were lovely and reassured me it was fine to change my mind about not having ECV. When the dr saw me she asked why I was declining the procedure and I advised just not comfortable with it. She booked c section for me but kept saying I just don't get why you would chose c section over five mins of discomfort and was it just that I just didnt want to give birth.

This made me feel upset and embarrassed as up until last week my plan had been to have a home birth with little intervention, none of this was what I wanted but I am just trying to make the right decision. I don't want ECV and then it doesn't work and it's more anxiety and hosp trips (it's not close) about whether to try ECV again or book c section, feel there is more of a plan now.

Anyways I stuck to my guns and am booked in for c section two weeks tomorrow a day before he is due so maybe he will be here before then anyways! In an ideal world he will turn by himself, unlikely I know and I can have a normal birth: I am doing the exercises suggested on spinning babies.

Anyone else experience any attitude about ur decisions?

Just feel I can't win!

Sorry for rant just feeling a bit low, 37+5 with first baby and I am only trying to make the best decision I can xx

Scotmum83 Thu 10-Jul-14 15:04:46

I'm in the same position,but baby is footling breech so ecv isn't an option for me. I'm glad tbh as there are risks to the ecv and I had decided that it wasn't for me. Don't let anyone push you into it if you don't feel it's the right thing for you. It's Not always successful and the baby can turn breech again so you may end up with a section anyway. I'm not glad to be having a section but happy that I know when and what is happening to me and hopefully that will mean I can relax for the next two weeks smile

GinnelsandWhippets Thu 10-Jul-14 15:12:34

The dr was being unprofessional for suggesting you just didn't want to give birth. How ridiculous. ECV does carry risks, as does birth, and pregnancy itself for that matter. You have to decide for yourself what risks you're prepared to take.

I've had 2 CSs, one EMCS for face presentation and one ELCS for severe SPD and an unstable lie (baby flipping transverse to breech to head down). I think you need to listen to your body and the messages your baby is sending you. If it's stubbornly breech then maybe there's a reason for that, so let it be and have a CS. Very sensible of you IMO smile.

smidge1717 Thu 10-Jul-14 15:15:13

Thanks! The dr said that50% of all ecvs that are done stay in correct position-- but what about the other 50%? I just didnt want the anxiety of it all.

Like you said there are risks with everything and I haven't taken any decision lightly-- was just not expecting to be made to feel like that :-(

naturalbaby Thu 10-Jul-14 15:18:35

It's not as simple as csection is safer than breech. A csection can be considered safer as midwives may not have enough experience to deliver a breech baby safely.
I agree with listening to your body, and your midwives. My midwife was very confident and supportive of my plans which made it easier to stick to them.

JazzAnnNonMouse Thu 10-Jul-14 16:58:36

Really long term it doesn't matter how they come out, as long as they do with least possible unhappiness for you and baby.

There are pros and cons to both vag birth and cesarean - they equal each other I think!

PeanutPatty Thu 10-Jul-14 17:03:22

Don't let them guilt trip you! I refused an ECV. Far too traumatic for the baby and me. It really wasn't for me.
Not judging others who've had it. I'm a real weakling and the thought of it gave me shivers! I followed the Spinning Babies exercised and he moved round anyway to Boo Ya to the Dr!

Chunderella Fri 11-Jul-14 21:26:27

Unfortunately some medical professionals are very anti-section. I had my booking in yesterday, and mentioned that although I'd been told when I complained about my previous traumatic birth (vaginal) that I could have an ELCS this time, I don't really fancy it. Nothing against electives, but not sure it's for me. Student MW doing the appointment felt moved to tell me that her son was born by EMCS and he's got lots of serious health problems now, so sections were to be avoided if possible. I mentioned that I too was born by EMCS and have always enjoyed good health, and she had a face on her then. There are really so many things wrong with that I don't know where to start.

RJnomore Fri 11-Jul-14 21:32:47

Ecv can be a dangerous procedure in itself. I would never let anyone attempt that on me.

My second was a footling breech as well so they didn't suggest that, I really really didn't want a c section as I was terrified, I had never had surgery before, I made plans with a consultant who was comfortable and very experienced delviering breech babies attempting a vaginal delivery to have a controlled induction, but in the end she was trying to shoot out at 32 weeks and they just and no more got me to theatre in time, I think my point is we all have different experiences but it doesn't really matter. What matters is a healthy baby and as undamaged a mother as possible.

Stuff that doctor.

PenguinsHatchedAnEgg Fri 11-Jul-14 21:35:32

I know this is pedantic, but can I just say:

"c section is now considered safer than giving birth to a breech baby."

A C-section is giving birth to a breech baby. It's a different way of giving birth. I think you mean that it's considered safer than giving birth vaginally to a breech baby.

Flisspaps Fri 11-Jul-14 21:44:01

The Dr is being a twat.

How exciting, you'll have a lovely new baby soon smile

Downtonflabby Fri 11-Jul-14 21:49:16

Some Dr behave like Demi gods and forget they are actually supposed to be offering a service!

Glad you stuck to your guns! Don't give it a second thought x

divingoffthebalcony Fri 11-Jul-14 21:52:38

The only answer to a statement like that is GTF grin

I wouldn't consent to an ECV either, they look barbaric and the success rate is variable.

PeanutPatty Sat 12-Jul-14 09:48:22

Chunderella - that is outrageous. Absolutely outrageous. Did you complain?

Penguins - exactly! A CS is birthing a child!

smidge1717 Sat 12-Jul-14 09:51:50

THanks ladies for all your support:-)

And yes I am more than aware a csection is birthing a child---needless to say I was a bit upset and frustrated when I wrote my first post so not necessarily worded absolutely perfect

PenguinsHatchedAnEgg Sat 12-Jul-14 10:08:38

Sorry, I realise my post maybe came across a bit blunt. I didn't mean it as a criticism. Just that some people can be sensitive and get upset by what they see as the implication that they didn't give birth. smile

PicandMinx Sat 12-Jul-14 10:33:21

shockChunderella! Complain - or the student MW will think it's ok to behave in such an unprofessional manner.

When will HCP realise that their job is to discuss choices and options and not voice their opinions.

smidge1717 Sat 12-Jul-14 12:23:23

Don't worry:-) probably just being sensitive.

It's nice to have support as honestly the dr made me feel like the biggest failure! I would rather my baby wasn't breech and I could just continue with my birth plan--- but she made out that I couldn't be bothered with the 'inconvenience' of ECV and she kept going on about the 50%success rate---err what about the other 50% who it doesn't work for! Just made me angry shock

Chunderella Sat 12-Jul-14 12:30:31

I suppose I probably should really. Just feeling pretty wiped out and crap at the moment, I usually only work 2 days a week but have had 3 consecutive, excepting a morning off for booking in, and am absolutely wrecked. So I can't really face it. It took me a long time to feel ready to complain about how I was treated during my birth last time, and actually I loved all the community midwife team the first time round.

The qualified midwife who was there supervising her at the end was clearly trying to push the MLU option too. They both very obviously had certain views on birth and I did explain to both of them that while I don't really want a section, I don't have a great deal of sympathy with a lot of the NCB stuff either. I don't regard a vaginal unmedicated birth as desirable or preferable in itself unless it is a woman's particular wish, or as any kind of achievement, and when both of them said sections were less safe for both me and baby I told them I was well aware that's rather debatable and dependant on individual circumstances. Anyway I was told when I complained about my treatment last time that I would be prioritised for one this time, and could be referred to obstetric anaesthesia clinic now. I mentioned at booking in that although this reassured me, I had a very prolonged labour with DD but when I did dilate it happened very fast, so I wonder whether there'll be time for an epidural even with the best will in the world. With that in mind I'm wondering whether to go full on hippy dippy, aromatherapy and candles, MLU, since if I'm going to have an inadequately anaesthetised delivery it might as well be in somewhere nice. They both loved that idea and told me how wonderful it would be, how I wouldn't need an epidural if I was in water etc. Riiiiight.

RedToothBrush Sat 12-Jul-14 22:42:32

When the dr saw me she asked why I was declining the procedure and I advised just not comfortable with it. She booked c section for me but kept saying I just don't get why you would chose c section over five mins of discomfort and was it just that I just didnt want to give birth.

This is unprofessional, and may constitute undue pressure to try and make you change your mind. This is completely unethical and you would be within your rights to complain about their attitude and how it has made you feel.

If you do not feel comfortable with the risks of a procedure; refuse and stick to your guns. This is not a procedure that is uncommon to refuse either. HCP should be allowing you to make an informed decision for yourself, not pressuring you or making you feel guilty.

HicDraconis Sun 13-Jul-14 10:32:13

For what it's worth - I wouldn't have an ECV either. I didn't want the risks that it would have entailed.

DS1 was breech until 34 weeks (I went swimming, did an underwater roly poly and he flipped himself - and I nearly passed out!) and when it was discussed I refused it. It was either ELCS, or labour with a head down baby.

Don't allow one registrar to make you feel bad about your decision. Life is a series of risk assessments and decisions - you've made the decision you think is right for you after a risk assessment of the two options. It may be different to the decision someone else would have made but this is your risk strategy not theirs.

Good luck smile

IamSlave Mon 14-Jul-14 22:03:13

I have had both ways, honestly its a gift you have been given, ELC are wonderful ways to bring baby into world.

its not easy - you cant win when you have a baby but the birth is wonderful....and your not too tired or physically drained etc...its great!

ems is not the same as a planned and calm els.

the dr sounds bonkers....my own doc at home, was astonished when i said i had chosen an elc! but why why.....

i think your very very very lucky, good luck with it and consider co sleeper cot.

duchesse Mon 14-Jul-14 22:12:35

ECV is cheaper for them but has a lot more risks as I understand it. In fact even 20 years ago they preferred not to do ECV as it was seen as an outdated manoeuvre that rarely worked.

I've had both vaginal birth (3 x, inc 2 unmedicated at home) and one crash CS. For me the CS was the easiest and most pleasant. I wouldn't recommend a crash CS under GA with a very sick baby but that was more pleasant for me than labour. My sister has had 5 CS and her planned ones were by far the most pleasant of the 5. She never had a crash one though.

Ragwort Mon 14-Jul-14 22:28:38

The Doctor sounds very unprofessional (and hasn't there been some research that shows that more doctors choose to have a CS than a VB grin?).

I remember asking for a ELCS - the doctor dismissed my views and said 'a girl like you will be fine' - I was in my 40s hmm - I ended up having an EMCS which didn't bother me at all but no doubt cost the NHS a lot more than an ELCS would have. grin

duchesse Mon 14-Jul-14 22:30:57

Ragwort, most of the doctors I know prefer CS, certainly! And the male ones would prefer their partners to have a CS. I know only one female doctor who is really sold on natural chidlbirth and she ended up with 2 CS anyway thanks to her dear friend's intervention!

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