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Rear-facing seat for 13month old(32 Posts)
Hi, my 13month old DD is still in her Maxi Cosi cabriofix but her head is nearly at the top so she will be needing a new seat soon. She doesn't weigh 9kg yet and going by the chart in the red book, will be 15-16months before she's 9kg. So I'm having a dilemma as to which seat to buy!
We've been to the In car safety centre in MK and initially narrowed it down to the Britax two-way elite or Besafe Izi combi isofix as the ones which fit our car (thought we'd be getting the hi-way or Kiss but they didn't fit well!). The TWE gave the most leg room for the front passenger, is cheaper and would be easier to move between our 2 cars. But, the weight range for the TWE is 9-25kg so our DD isn't heavy enough to go in it yet and we were slightly put off by the side impact protection and preferred the Besafe seat. The Besafe seat fitted but gave less legroom for the front passenger and is much heavier to move, but our DD could go in it now.
Would you put a 13month in a TWE if they weren't yet 9kg or should I wait? Been thinking of buying a Britax first class plus as an interim but my DH isn't keen and thinks we should just buy one of the ERF seats. The first class plus seat looks nice but it sounds like the seat belt gets in the way when it's rear-facing.
Does anyone have any advice please? Thanks!
That is a really difficult situation! You shouldn't put her in a 9-18kg seat before she's 9kg though. There's a chance the seat won't work in a collision if she's not heavy enough. If anyone you know has a longer seat than the Cabriofix you can borrow, I'd use that for a couple of months until your daughter gets to 9kg.
The Besafe is suitable from birth isn't it? I'd go with that one, unless you want to hang on in the maxi cosi for a bit to see if she hits 9kg before reaching the top of it. DS was 18 months before he reached the edge of his - is she particularly tall for her age? They do seem to grow in height much slower than you would think.
Actually looking at what you've said about the SI protection I'd definitely go for the Besafe.
will you need to move it much?
if not go for the besafe.
how much space does she have at the top of her current seat?
We have a Besafe Izi Combi, DD has been in it since 7mo. At 15 months, she's still not 9kg either. She's so high up in the Besafe though - she likes waving to the other cars (and their occupants) when we're in traffic
I live without the legroom (DH's car doesn't have isofix but my punto does) on the passenger side, we just don't do long journeys in my car anymore. I don't know what we'll do when DH's car needs a new car seat - no isofix and it's a 3 door... not looking good for another ERF!
Any rear facing one will be fine for her. We had the first class for ds1. It was over 5 yr ago and I can't really remember if the seat belt was in the way . I'm thinking it might have stretched over the seat but you'll get used to the way you put her in.
With ds2 we had a different one. I can't remember the make but I'm pretty sure the seat belt went around the seat rather than across it. I'll try to remember which it is but if not it's now in my parents' car so i'll find out if you want to know
LOVE love love my BeSafe. My 11 month old DD does too. Great view for her. I wouldn't hestitate. it's heavy but not hard to fit so moving it will keep you strong but not drive you mad. And it is THE BEST in crash tests bar the BeSafe IzI Kid which is 1% safer as it doesn't have the 'ears' to tturn it forward facing.
The only thing i don't like is sometimes when she falls asleep she gets head loll. Not every time. But a total pain in the neck to pull over and sort it out if i'm on own in car with her.
I have heard good things about the TWE but i'm not convinced it would be as safe in a crash as the child doesn't sit as deeply in it- for side impact protection i mean.
BeSafe. They are fab and you really shouldn't breach the weight limit - the whole point of ERF is to keep them safer.
She's taller than average, on the 75th percentile but only the 25th for weight. I do like the Besafe seat but it's expensive , heavy (we have 2 cars so would need to move it) and gives less legroom in the front. One minute I think we should stick with the maxi cosi a bit longer, and then I start worrying she's getting too near the top! She's also in a maxi cosi at the childminder's so not sure what she'll use there either .
The SIP is great on the Besafe and better now on the X3 than the previous versions.
They do get head lol though I agree! My only complaint about the Besafe is the recline. I have two, both reclined as far as possible but its really not very far!
Besafe has an excellent crash test record and its Isofix Izikid recently got top marks in the Which? report (which is scored 60% on safety and 40% on facility of use). We had an Izikid for DC1 which offers good S.I.P.
Re. moving to the next car seat 'group', I was told that they moved from the Group 0+ seats when they reached 20lbs and one year (not one or the other) - might be worth discussing this with one of the impartial Road Safety Officers employed by various councils (see first link below).
Thanks for all your replies....maybe we should just get the besafe one then. Just need to convince DH now...he thinks the TWE is the better option as it'll last longer, is cheaper, easier to move and gives more leg room. I guess he's got a point!
Ah yes, but the trump card is the Besafe is safer.....
All the photos I've seen of the TWE, the seat touches the back of the car seat, but it doesn't in the Besafe. Well, not in my car at least.
I was thinking about the 25kg limit recently as we'll need a replacement second seat soon, but seeing as DD is likely to be 6 or 7 by the time she reaches the weight limit, I don't think she'll still be rearfacing by then anyway. Maybe I'll change my mind by the time we get there, but I hadn't planned for her to still be rearfacing much past 5.
Not sure if I can post this here, but as it's relevant to your question, here goes: I have a second hand BeSafe Izikid, bought early 2007 direct from Sweden. Used for 2 children, never been in an accident. It is not isofix. If you're interested, PM me with your location and if you're within driving distance I'll get in touch. (£150 ono).
We have been advised that babies can stay in the maxi cosi until their eyes are level with the top of the car seat. This is based upon information from our local car seat specialist given for our DS2 who reached 9kg at just 5 months but didn't have the stability to manage a forward facing car seat.
Our DS2 is still in his cabriofix as it provides a much greater protection , however I would suggest you take your DD and car seat for advice from your own local retailer.
kd73, it's not eye level in a group 0 seat, it's the top of the baby's head meeting the top of the seat.
I'd definitely go with the besafe. It is heavy but not too dificult to move. I used to have to move mine between cars every week when I was pregnant with dd2 and managed it right until the week she was born.
seeksnewnamewithgsoh I am sure the Besafe instructions say to push the front seat back till it touches the seat. Ours was fitted professionally. Am off to re-read....
i vaguely recall the people at the in car safety centre saying that the besafe needed to either touch the back of the seat in front OR have at least 25cm of space?
25cm does seem an awful lot though. ours touches the back of the passenger seat.
the two way elite has to touch, it's braced on the front seat
Hasn't the Besafe got the extending loop thing so you can have it closer to or further from the seat of the car o increase/decrease leg room? Or am I getting it mixed up? If it is that one, then have you considered how much room it'll take up when you move it back to make more leg room for the child?
lagrandissima I'm really confused where the 20lbs/1 year thing has come from. I know they have to be at least 20lbs (9kg) and 9 months but never heard about a year. Obviously you always want them to stay rear facing as long as possible though.
OP it sounds as though you'd rather be talked into getting the TWE so here goes... yes the BeSafe is safer on crash tests, but then again you know your DD is much safer being in a TWE than she would be in a FF seat so it's not as though chosing that option is a bad idea IYSWIM. Maybe you could look in your red book and track her centiles to try and work out how long it'll be before she's 9kg or grows another X cm before being too tall for her maxi cosi seat. Then if it's likely to be soon she's too tall but a while before she's 9kg then get a first class. If there's only a very short time between her being too tall for her maxi cosi and reaching 9kg then maybe you could get a more basic birth-18kg seat if the expense is an issue. Something like this as it has lots more head room and can still be rear facing until she's 9kg and can go in the TWE.
I meant the leg room for the child, sorry. It didn't come out well. So the front of DD's seat is about 4 inches away from where you would put your back if you were sitting in the seat. The pics of the TWE has the front of the car seat touching, ie no leg room. I'm making this worse aren't I?
The back of the car seat does indeed touch the back of the front passenger seat. It was the other end I was thinking of.
The extending loop thing is just to brace it so it doesn't tip in case of an accident, AFAIK. It didn't increase the leg room, just stablises it. It's the opposite of having tether straps, which the belted seats seem to have. I think.
ohhh i see what you mean!
the TWE will touch the seat of the car if it's in the reclined position. it has to
when you have it in the upright position there is a gap, and thus more legroom
Thanks everyone, it's nice to get different opinions. We're thinking we may go for the Besafe izi kid isofix and live with the reduced front legroom - I don't think it was that bad just not as roomy as the TWE (it was in an Audi A4 estate). I don't think we'd turn it round to FF so doesn't seem worth paying the extra for the combi.
lagrandissima - thanks for your offer, but we'd want the isofix besafe seat for ease of fitting.
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