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Cybex Pallas not safe?(35 Posts)
We've been using the Cybex Pallas for a month with our 2-year-old and she's escaped by wriggling out 4 times, mid driving! Absolutely shocking! Mamas and Papas who we bought it from (also Cybex's representative) have been exremely disappointing and refuse to believe us because no one else has reported their toddler can escape from the seat. Has anyone had a similar problem?
(By the way, although fitting this car seat is very straightforward, we have been to our local council's in-car safety unit to make sure we do fit it correctly and we do.)
I have this seat and never had a problem...thread title is pretty alarmist OP
Some 2 year olds can undo the buckles on a 5 point harness so not sure what the answer is if you have an escapee.
We have always found ours to be really good. It is secure through isofix then easily adjusted to be snug across the tummy and then the seat belt across.
We did all that Eiremama and our child still escaped . A child can twist and twist gradually and then escape.
I know this is old now, but feel I have to comment. We have one of these for a year now and have a very strong houdini child. He cannot get out of this seat when fitted correctly and I cannot see how any child could. You must ensure the cushion is tight, so you cannot fit a finger between it and the child, then you put the lap belt piece of the seatbelt in the slot first, buckle the belt and pull tight, you then put the shoulder piece of the seatbelt through the slot. When done like this, no child can move. If your child can turn sideways it's not tight enough. When done like this even my husband could not move the cushion by trying to pull it out. The child had tried his best to wriggle out, but he can't. They have been safety tested and are actually safer than a 5 point harness.
My houdini could escape from various 5 point harnesses and could undo the buckle on several of them when she was still very young...
We have a Cybex Pallas and haven't yet had a problem with our 2.5 yr old son getting out. I agree with gallicgirl and BranchingOut.
To Double Delight Twins: when my friend's eldest toddler started releasing his 5-point harness while they were on a car journey, she would immediately stop the car, rebuckle his harness, and then explain to him that they were "going home" as he would not stay buckled in properly, before driving home to howls of protest. After this happened a few times, he learned pretty quickly to stay buckled in his car seat and she has had no problems with loose toddlers in the car since. Maybe give that a try? Good luck!
There is a terrifying crash test video of these seats going around that shows a child being thrown clear out of the seat in a roll over - I am sticking with erf and 5 point harnesses for mine.
It is not a behavioural issue, as if your child can escape the harness then the forces exerted in a crash would be far greater and your child would be ejected. Please don't pad her put with coats/layers. It is actually advised to remove winter coats to ensure a tight fit.
Thank you so much for your messages, BranchingOut and Sleeplessinderbyshire! We now tighten the first half of seatbelt, then fit the second half of seatbelt. Our DD really tried to get out, but couldn't!! So far so good.
We are not sure if Mamas & Papas sales staff has shown us to use the car seat this way. I was too busy entertaining excited twins in the shop while my husband went out to the car park with M&P lady and tried Cybex seat in my car.
Hello again. Thanks for your messages.
We have changed the cushion setting to be more tighter, but she still escaped. We will try to tighten the seat belt better and see if she could escape... Kiddy seats are similar to Cybex, so we are not sure if it is worth trying Kiddy seats. She regularly escapes from buggy strap, too, so we are not sure if 5 point harness car seat is the answer.
Once the weather gets colder, she can travel in thick coats, so that might work.
Ps. Talking of escaping, she escaped through a thin gap in our garden gate. Everyone was amazed that her head went through it... We now have an ugly plastic net all over our garden gate.
we have 2 kiddy seats (one in each car) and have always been happy with them. my DD1 (aged 4) usually moans that the cushion is "squidging my insides too tight" so no way she could possibly escape. She went through a dreadful phase of pulling her arms out of the strap in our besafe izi combi but never ever tried to get out of the kiddy which is why we bought another one for her when DD2 needed the besafe rather than a harnessed seat. Are you sure you are pulling it properly tight with the seatbelt? I'm aware I see loads of children with 5 point harnesses that are way too loose so I think as a nation we don't strap our children in tightly as a rule.
We have a Kiddy and have been really happy with it.
Is there a bum cushion that is used to raise them up when they are little but may now need to be removed?
I know that you probably are, but be sure that you get the seat tightly fitted using the bottom half of the belt to get the tension, before looping the top half back through.
For what it is worth, I have seen other children wriggle free from 5pt harness seats just by shrinking their shoulders inwards and putting their arms through.
Hi, I've just joined. The same thing happened to me this morning on our way to nursery and I'm still in shock! One of my twin daughters (just turned 2 years old) escaped by doing exactly the same - by wiggling out of gap between seat and cushion. She stood on the vacant seat next to her with a huge smile and tried to climb over to boot. I was still driving then and there was no where to stop for another 3 minutes.
So when I go in to pick them up in 1 hour time, I need to walk to the nursery with an empty double buggy, and then, push the buggy with 2 passengers up the hill (poor me).
We are now considering to buy new car seats - yes, we need to buy 2, as the other quieter twin wouldn't tolerate that her twin sister gets brand new seat, but not her. I'm really annoyed that Which? gave this car seat as 'Best Buy'.
The concept might be safe, but in this case it clearly isn't!
You can adjust the cushion to fit the child. We have this seat and although DD has tried, she's never escaped. Is the cushion fitted snugly enough?
As for the safety testing, it gets top marks all over Europe, particularly in Germany. The concept is perfectly safe and less likely to result in a significant injury than a 5 point harness.
Playing devils advocate (I just want to get to the bottom of this), the response from other manufacturers are that roll over collisions are rare in comparison to front and back impact collisions and in these cases 5 point harnesses are less safe. It's so confusing with so many different regulatory and test bodies involved. It's so hard to know who's right!
I don't believe any seat with a shield is safe. How can they be if you cant adjust them to fit the child? Our crash testing criteria in this country are awful anyway so I wouldn't take any notice of whether its crash tested or not. I would return the seat, with a fight if necessary, as its clearly not fit for purpose. Then I'd buy a Britax, preferably rear facing.
This link from Britax is why I will keep dd2 harnessed into her seat until she's ready for a HBB. It's the main reason I won't even consider buying a Cybex Sirona - as well as stories I've read on here about escapees!
I'm interested to find out more about this. We have the kiddy fix guardian pro and although my Dc has never escaped I'm worried that she can. Also, someone said they weren't very safe if the car rolls. Is this true?
Hi, we purchased the Pallas last year and my 18 month old pushes the seat belt out of the cushion and escapes whilst driving s I have now had to purchase another car sea. I complained to mamas and papas and they said my child is obviously Houdini as they have never heard of it before. They said they recommend this seat to people if there child escapes from a 5 point harness. I'm fuming....... The car seat cost me over £200 and it is not fit for purpose.
maybe something to do with the shape of the impact cushion???
everyone seems to rave about the kiddy comfort one.
When those cushion seats were introduced on the European market. This is what I was afraid of. This AND being thrown from the seat in a frontal impact as they rotate over the top of the chusion.
thats shocking really isnt it,that she can escape so easily,i was looking at one of these types for my lo as he could be doing with moving upa group,i think i will stick with a 5 point harness after reading this.
Thank you blueberryboybaitonSafari! We have tried so hard to convince her and she mostly does stay put, but she's recently started having tantrums, and when she's having one, she wants out and now she knows how to get out, very little can stop her...
Different - these carseats have actually tested to be safer than traditional 5 point harness seats when correctly fitted. have a look at this video which compares 5 point harnesses and the kiddy infinity (almost exactly the same as the cybex)
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