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Annabel Karmel, not content with making weaning sound complicated, has turned her hand to breastfeeding

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hunkermunker Tue 19-May-09 15:51:12

Words fail me

And yes, there are snippets in there that are true/useful - but HOW you dredge through the stuff that's unnecessary/nice to have but not essential - who knows?!

mawbroon Tue 19-May-09 16:28:33

It is opening very slooooooowly on each page for me, so I only managed to look at 3 pages.

There is misleading shite on each of the three pages I have looked at.

phdlife Tue 19-May-09 16:30:07

lol at Reality grin

hiya hunker, longtome no see, mwah

think I better avoid reading AK nonsense atm hmm

TheCrackFox Tue 19-May-09 16:32:13

Clare Bryam Cook is recommending offering a top up feed after a breast feed. FFS, I am angry now. angry

wastingmyeducation Tue 19-May-09 16:33:30

Breastfeeding recipes?! I thought I'd read it wrong to start with, but then I'd just read a post on breast milk custard on the board.
Now that might be useful, unlike anything this nosy, ignorant corporation has to say. angry

tiktok Tue 19-May-09 16:34:33

Hmmmm....a quick look indicates that it's not all bad, though my taste is not for breastfeeding to be described as 'magical'. I accept tbis is just a personal thing though. But the advice in expressing is very poor - there is a page that suggests mothers concerned about supply suspend breastfededing, use bottles and then express to see how much milk they have made and subtract it from the bottles the baby has least that is what I understand it to say. This is just plain wrong and highly likely to mess up someone's bf.

dancingmummy Tue 19-May-09 16:36:50

" You can establish which it is by offering a top-up immediately after he has finished feeding on the breast; if he drinks some milk this shows that he wanted more than he got from the breast.

You should then immediately use your pump to see how much milk was left in the breast compared with how much he took from the bottle; if you can easily express the same amount your supply is fine and it is his feeding that is the problem. If you can’t express any milk, then your supply is low.

Another simple way of checking is to substitute several breast feeds with a bottle and then use the pump to see how much milk you can express at each feed compared with the amount he took from the bottle.

I think i'm going to write a book if you're allowed to simply make stuff up!!!
Chapter 1: Eating a healthy supply of chocolate is the only way to ensure that your milk is rich and calorific, thus-best for baby.

tiktok Tue 19-May-09 16:36:55

The advice to top up with a bottle of formula to check whether the baby had enough from the breast is very poor indeed.

Numerous posts on mumsnet show that this is a quick way to end up fully ff.

claireybee Tue 19-May-09 16:39:00

Bloody hell. Very angry about the expressing stuff, I've never been able to express much (other than when I has oversupply issues) but knew the dc were getting more than that

JeanPoole Tue 19-May-09 16:39:35

surely it must be illegal to give out such damaging info?

Poledra Tue 19-May-09 16:39:48

tiktok, I think you're being kind here - to say the advice on expressing is poor is an understatement!! I really am no bfeeding expert, just speaking from my own experience, but that would have killed my bfeeding of DD1 stone dead. Not only would I have been in a lot of pain from cracked nipples, but I would have believed I was starving her.sad I already had well-meaning relatives telling me that it wasn't the end of the world if I moved her onto a bottle - following 'expert' advice like this would have just finished it off.

Just goes to show, never believe what you read on t'internet.

thefortbuilder Tue 19-May-09 16:39:52

i never knew you could make beef lasagne and chicken and mange tout peas with breast milk hmm

JeanPoole Tue 19-May-09 16:41:22

poledra i totally agree.

PinkTulips Tue 19-May-09 16:46:25

that womans name brings me out in a rash. i wasn't a fan in the first place but after hearing her on gerry ryan slating blw as 'dangerous and irresponsible' and lying through her teeth about what it is to make it sound terrible to the listeners i see red whenever i hear her name or see one of her 200 million horrendous products angry

that stuff about expressing to gauge supply is truely awful advice, lets hope anyone who uses her site also has access to other information on bf-ing sad

this made me want to cry in the comments section.....''Eeeeeeeeek is all I'm saying!Without wanting to open a whole can of extremely wriggly worms again, it's stuff like this why if I had another I would go straight to bottle. I had major problems bf Finlay and even just reading the above is too much for my brain to handle and I'm way past that stage now. Such conflicting advice all the time, no wonder women get low'' sadsadsad

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 19-May-09 16:46:30

I am going to have to stop reading it, it's making me so angry. All that rubbish about a pump being the only way to tell if your breast is empty - WTF??

Does CBC realise that she is talking out of her backside? angry

StarlightMcKenzie Tue 19-May-09 16:48:43

Message withdrawn

ThingOne Tue 19-May-09 16:49:06

ThingOne's Breastfeeding Website.

Have baby.
Take off clothes.
Put baby on chest.
Stay in bed for a fortnight with a slave to provide food and drink. A husband can do this job well.
If it doesn't work ask somebody who knows what they are talking about. Do not, under any circumstances seek advice from those trying to make a profit from feeding babies.

PinkTulips Tue 19-May-09 16:51:38

''The easiest way to tell if you have a fast or slow let down reflex is by using a breast pump. If you have a fast let-down, you will see your milk squirting out and you will be able to express your milk really quickly (eg.120mls in 10 minutes). If your let-down is slow, the milk will only drip out and after 10 minutes you might have expressed as little as 20mls. Having seen this, you will realise why some mothers can feed their babies much quicker than others.''


That's why ds2 damn near drowns at my right boob and i've sprayed milk up to 6 feet away when he lets go too suddenly but i have to practiaclly bruise my boob squeezing so hard for 1/2 hour to get 80ml then is it? hmm and using a pump gets even less milk, i can't pump leftie at all, not even a few drops and can barely ge any from rightie with the damn thing.... i have to be engorged to get it to work... [ouch]

claire byam cook has just been added to my 'hate' list i think.

and wtf is her obsession with freaking breast pumps... as if new moms don't have enough fiddly horrible things to be keeping clean and few enough hours in the day

MadamAnt Tue 19-May-09 16:56:17

Argh...I can't get on to it, but agree with those who have concerns about what sounds like v dodgy pumping info. My DCs only fed for literally 5 mins at a time (and not especially frequently) yet when I pumped I could only manage a couple of ounces. I would have been worried if I had been told that expressing was an indicator of milk supply.

Is someone going to contact her with a view to amending the info?

tiktok Tue 19-May-09 16:56:18

PinkTulips, that bit is really awful. 'Performance' on a pump is massively variable. Pumps are massively variable. I had a bfc colleague once who bf twins, and they were both fully bf at 6 mths. She was unable to express a drop - it just didn't happen for her. Both her twins were gi-normous.

Mothers have fragile confidence in bf, anyway. They do not need to judge themselves with a pump.

A pump is not a baby.

tiktok Tue 19-May-09 16:58:33

Clare Byam Cook reads mumsnet (I happen to know). So does AK. In any case, they both probably have Google alerts on their name. They will be aware of what's being said. Of course, someone can inform them direct as well

AitchTwoOh Tue 19-May-09 17:07:56

<waves to clare and annabel> coooooeeeeeee!

RealityIsMyOnlyDelusion Tue 19-May-09 17:09:28

Message withdrawn

StealthPolarBear Tue 19-May-09 17:11:26

AK - sack the proofreader! "ingredients"
have only seen first page but "Breastfeeding offers a magical opportunity to develop a close, intimate bond with your new baby and gives him the best possible start to life"
or a practical way to feed your child?

StealthPolarBear Tue 19-May-09 17:11:57

and it does tend to imply that if you ff you can't bond!

EyeballsisonaDietAgain Tue 19-May-09 17:12:59

Well I was told that expressing is a good indicator of supply, and I managed to express about a centimetre the whole time. So dd was FF and I was a wreck. So she can fuck right off with her crap whitterings. Next time I'll ask you lot and increase my chances of a halfway helpful answer.

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