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I have to go dairy free :(

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ElBombero Wed 23-Oct-13 15:28:14

I'm in the grieving process, after eliminating infection it's looking like my DS green mucousy stools are due to a CMPI.

No more chocolate, tea or coffee whilst feeding my boy. How can I get through Xmas? Throughout xfactor without chocolate? I know this sounds incredibly selfish but I am already egg, gluten and nut free sad

Rummiwerewolfkub Thu 24-Oct-13 10:12:23

Oat milk is nice in tea. I had to go dairy and soy free for awhile. Supermarkets are much better at catering for specialist diets. Vegan cheese is quite tasty too. See what alternatives there are, then if it doesn't suit you maybe rethink breast feeding. (I am pro breast feeding, I sacrificed my well being for breast feeding, I don't think I would repeat that, happy mum means happy child IMHO, in hindsight)

Likeaninjanow Thu 24-Oct-13 10:45:32

Moo free chocolates are made with rice milk & are nice. Morrisons do gorgeous dairy free chocolate caramels too. It can be done, with some planning. Good luck smile

Likeaninjanow Thu 24-Oct-13 10:49:48

I think they're called Choices dairy free caramels. Whole family lives them!

48th Thu 24-Oct-13 11:06:45

Op get better information before you decide what to do.

Your hv is confusing cmpi with lactose intolerance and if your baby has had an infection then 11 days isn't long enough for gut health to be restored.

After a GI bug babies often get a temporary form of lactose intolerance which gives green poo, this can take 2-3 weeks to resolve (some mums find coleif helps)

Weight gain for a bf baby averages at 4-7oz per week but is rarely consistent week by week and a bug like cmpi can impact on gain.

There are milk, chocolate, ice cream, butter replacement products which make dairy free easier than it once was but in view of your circumstances and understandable lack of enthusiasm for this option it makes sense to speak to people with a better understanding of allergies and bf. an ibclc might help, paediatrics etc

BinarySolo Thu 24-Oct-13 11:14:15

Dairy free's not too bad. Try the post punk kitchen for recipes. It's a vegan website. The chocolate pumpkin loaf if amazing. Mmmm, might have to make some myself actually.

Watch out for milk in flavourings - crisps, noodles etc and in cereals. Many dark chocolates are dairy free. Alpro dark chocolate yoghurt things are yummy.

ilovepowerhoop Thu 24-Oct-13 11:49:28

a link about poo!

ilovepowerhoop Thu 24-Oct-13 12:04:12

interesting info here too

ilovepowerhoop Thu 24-Oct-13 12:06:20

hettienne Thu 24-Oct-13 12:14:37

I wouldn't cut out a whole food group based on 11 days of funny nappies and a one centile drop - sounds like your HV has jumped the gun a bit?

48th has some good advice. You cutting out dairy or putting your baby on a synthetic formula sounds a bit premature to me.

bigwellyfucker Thu 24-Oct-13 12:15:29

I think you could trial a dairy restricted diet but green poo is very normal in a newborn - mucousy too, iften from wind ingested when feeding. I'd recommend getting your latch checked too.

I have two DD, both BF, both had yuk napoies. Only the oldest is dairy and soya intolerant.

Sunnysummer Thu 24-Oct-13 12:23:30

We tried dairy and soy free and also the hypoallergenic formula, and were glad that we kept good records as neither helped. Our paediatrician said that while CMPI is absolutely a real thing, the latest research suggests that it is currently over diagnosed - as it takes 3 weeks to be totally milk protein free, but also that long for most feeding or other problems to resolve themselves.

Green poos is usually sugar issues due to a foremilk imbalance or lactose intolerance (which is totally unrelated to CMPI, as the lactose is an intrinsic part of breast milk no matter what the diet).

If going off dairy and soy does help then do make sure you do another check, in case it was just that time fixed the problem - and given all the other dietary restrictions it definitely sounds like you need a referral to a dietitian if you want to go ahead with it all in the long term! Good luck

BeansAndCheese Thu 24-Oct-13 12:29:18

I agree to be cautious before cutting out dairy. My lo had green poos and copious amounts of it. No ever suggested dairy intolerance. I carried on as normak . her weight gain was dire but picked up after I started weaning (when I introduced butter milk cheese etc). She improved a lot and went from off the charts to the 25% in 3months. Is it possible you have an oversupply. It can help if you make them stay on one breast longer to make sure they get enough hind milk. I mention it because my HV didn't know anything about it. Have you spoken to a lactation consultant?

nosleeptillbedtime Thu 24-Oct-13 12:29:39

My paed reckons the hypo allergic formula is better than bf for kids with intolerances. Maybe you could ask for a referral to a paed? I have suffered with a limited diet whilst bf and it is awful. Your Son is an ideal age to get on formula. It I'll be much harder/ imposs as he gets older. Ver very difficult to do past three months. What I love says is not true. The cowsmilk is o broken down in this formula that it doesn't trigger a reaction.

nosleeptillbedtime Thu 24-Oct-13 12:33:50

Read your further post and oesn't sound like cmpi to me. My ds was screaming in pain at feeding! I would speak to a different hcp if I were you, such as a gp.

ilovepowerhoop Thu 24-Oct-13 13:20:32

what do you mean what I said is not true? Lactose is in all milks including breastmilk (as it is the sugar in the milk) so if the problem is with cows milk protein then the lactose free formula will still contain the cows milk protein so will not help at all. A dairy free/hypoallergenic formula would be needed rather than lactose free

fanjobiscuits Thu 24-Oct-13 13:21:59

Booja booja chocolates are DELICIOUS

ilovepowerhoop Thu 24-Oct-13 13:22:33

although it may not be CMPI at all if he has no other symptoms other than green poo - the links I gave above give other reasons for green poo and it is not always food intolerance

May09Bump Thu 24-Oct-13 13:23:55

go onto ocado - they have a great range of free from products. you can filter to specific allergens.

JohFlow Thu 24-Oct-13 14:12:33

Sounds like products marked 'vegan' would be the best way to go for your for now. These will eliminate most of your intolerances straight away. I am sure that you already read every label before buying.

I have been dairy free for 10 years (intolerant) and serve a dairy free diet to my DS (who has had full milk allergy since birth). Many people live without dairy and thankfully substitutes are very well developed. It is good that you have been referred to a dietician. They should be able to give you lists of substitute products, cookery ideas and many can prescribe dairy replacers and vitamin supplements for yourself and baby. They are also very good at discussing any anxieties you have about you/your baby being on a restricted diet. Cooking with diary free does sometimes require some trial and error e.g. if it gets too hot it can curdle.

Should you choose to go onto bottle feeding; they can prescribe Nutramigen/another formula for baby so that you can get it for free. Like LAF suggests the dairy free formulas tend to smell and taste different (Nutramigen is almost savoury in flavour) but it was a god send to me after 18 months of pukey baby and sleeplessness.

I think soy products are the closest match to cow's milk but oat milks are also available. Many soy products have some vitamin/calcium enrichment. The milks are all good in tea and coffee - so you can still get your caffeine fix!

These are worth a try...

Alpro soy milks, yoghurts, creams, milkshakes, custards etc (widely available and creamy)
Provamel soy (very yummy and have some interesting flavours)
Viva Soy
Holland and Barrett's own soya milk (often on manager's special)
Mark's and Spencer Soya Drink (top creaminess - lovely)
Benecol Dairy Free probiotic drinks
Vitalite Dairy Free Spread
Pure Diary Free Spread
Swedish Glace Ice cream
Freedom Ice Cream
Any Dairy Free Chocolate with Carob in (bitter and strong - great if you like you chocolate dark, but can also be mixed with milk substitutes).
Asda Dairy Free Buttons (closest to milk chocolate I have found)

Like another poster; I have not found a decent replacement for cheese though. I have tried a few brands but some can either taste very rubbery or chalky.

You can make decent food/ have nice snacks on dairy free - so please don't panic too much. If you need anything else just shout out.

BinarySolo Thu 24-Oct-13 16:12:19

Have you tried Bude Island cheese, JohFlow? The blue cheese is particularly good.

JohFlow Thu 24-Oct-13 16:24:54

No I haven't yet. Where can I get it from?

Katiebeau Thu 24-Oct-13 16:41:47

That cheese is the Tesco free from cheese range. It's not bad.

OP my DD had the same symptoms and it wasn't CMPA it was lactose intolerance.

Awful from BF perspective but easier diet wise now. Especially as she's gluten intolerant too.

Good luck OP.

Oh and Kinnertons do Dairy Free advent calendars but I'm not sure it's soya free.

BinarySolo Thu 24-Oct-13 16:51:34

I used to buy it from my local health food shop in Leicester. It's stocked by tesco but I've never seen it there

crikeybadger Thu 24-Oct-13 20:37:27

I personally would seek a second opinion, as others have said green nappies are not always a problem if not accompanied by any other symptoms.

That said, do try the booja booja truffles, they are to die for, dairy free or notgrin

JohFlow Fri 25-Oct-13 09:46:38

Thanks for the cheese recommendation. Will be giving that a try. Would be nice to be able to offer my DS cheese on toast or proper pizza.

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