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Ann Dobson LC, which osteopath?

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Kytie Wed 03-Apr-13 22:09:12

Hi Badgerface thankyou so much for your advice and kind support wish I spoken to you sooner.i feel I've been going slightly mad with the worry of the T T and if its reattached and how olly been struggling to fed almost like trying to get milk out of a slightly squashed straw ! these poor babies thank goodness for the help of Ann and other LCs as the Nhs has a waiting list of 5 weeks and more I'm still on a list for a 4 division and that was 4weeks ago terrible but I've now decided not to put olly throu it .its so nice to talk to you as I don't know anyone with a baby with a T T and the worries that go with .all my friends had suggested I go to formula but they hadn't ever breast fed their babies so weren't aware of how emotional it al can be .i just couldn't imagine not breast feeding my baby .olly is now 20 weeks and it has got easier but not perfect latch .but I now feel so much better knowing other people can understand what I'm going throu .i feel a big cloud has been lifted and things will get better thankyou

BadgerFace Wed 03-Apr-13 17:00:32

Hi Kytie, my daughter's was a posterior tongue tie as well and it wasn't diagnosed until 8 weeks so quite late. Her feeding is better although she still has a fairly shallow latch. I worry about it on and off and wonder if it's reformed but she then reminds me she is getting enough milk by doing enormous poos!! I have decided to not have it checked again as I feel that 12 weeks is too old for her to have it cut again if it had reattached and she is feeding, even if we may not have a "textbook" latch.

We have been having osteopathy too which helps with the mouth opening wider.

Good exercises are to stick your tongue out at Olly so he tries to copy you and also to touch either side of his gums so he flicks his tongue back and forth to encourage lateral movement.

It can also take some weeks for the babies to learn to use their tongues more effectively so you will probably continue to see improvements over time.

I agree that there should be more support for TT and better NHS training to spot it - I was told by 3 different midwives when I was in hospital post-birth that my daughter did not have one (I asked them to check as feeding was difficult). I think that the skill to diagnose it has been lost by a lot of midwives as there was a generation of mainly bottle fed babies in the 70s and 80s (such as myself!) and so the TT were not as apparent as babies could feed more easily form a bottle than a breast with a TT.

Kytie Tue 02-Apr-13 22:30:49

Hi again Bagderface was just wondering how is your baby girl now after TT was divided .is bfeastfeeding a lot better .im so impressed with the cranial oesthopaths at Hatfield I do think olly feeding better since the session s I would highly recommend .i didn't realise how much aT T can affect a baby to fed no wonder a lot of women give up bfeastfeeding .i do think the Nhs needs to spend more on supporting the well being of mothers and baby's struggling throu it so distressing

Kytie Tue 02-Apr-13 14:08:47

Hi thankyou for replying wasn't sure or told about exercises but olly has always fed every two hours and nite tiring !and has a posterior TT and I think they are more difficult ones .so stressful feeding but getting easier as cranial oesteopath as really helped olly .i have fed my other 3 children successfully to over a year so knew something wasn't right .been talking to Ann Dobson really nice lady but still wary of having done 4 th time as I may reattach and so traumatic for baby to keep having done .had lovely midwife divide it and she said she would do again and do exercises this time but it still can attach ?x

BadgerFace Tue 02-Apr-13 11:49:49

Hi Kytie, I'm not sure why they reattach but think it's not uncommon. Did your consultant give you exercises to do with Olly after it was cut? Ann gave us some to encourage the tongue to move and said to feed at least every 3 hours day and night for the first couple of weeks post-op.

Kytie Mon 01-Apr-13 22:51:18

Hi my first time on mums net my olly has had TT divided 3 times and reattached again does anyone know why this can happen not sure to have cut again so stressful as bfeastfeeding is so hard with a baby with tonguetied I wish it wouldn't keep reattaching x

AngelDog Sat 30-Mar-13 22:32:17

We saw Camilla Nichol from Back & Active in Belsize Park, who I think has worked with Ann Dobson (though we had TTs & lip ties revised by a paediatric dentist in north London). Definitely helped. She does osteopathy rather than cranial therapy.

FreeButtonBee Sat 30-Mar-13 09:01:24

I agree - call rather than email. I called and followed up with a text. She got back to me within 48 hrs. She works all over the south east and she had been working til 10pm regularly when I saw her a few weeks ago.

caramelgirl Sat 30-Mar-13 08:01:16

Thank you foradvice. Will call if we end up in need then. Have heard amazing things from friends and midwives so was keen!
Victoria , glad you had help elsewhere. Think postnatal is such a vulnerable time that you really need people to do what they say/imply on website.

BadgerFace Thu 28-Mar-13 04:11:41

Definitely ring instead of emailing. I think she's bad at replying because she's so busy but a call usually works. She can do appts quickly too, mine was 2 days after I called.

Msp the tongue is a really long muscle which attaches halfway down the throat so a tongue tie can tighten the whole jaw and the baby can't open their mouth very wide to feed properly. They can be caused if your baby engages early because of all the pressure on the head apparently. Ed was 2/5 engaged by at least 32 weeks so that made sense to me.

HandMini Wed 27-Mar-13 22:13:47

She's currently working with Matt Turner, of West Hampstead Osteopaths. They do a drop-in type day (although you can book appointments) at the London Welsh Centre on Fridays.

Victoria2002 Wed 27-Mar-13 21:31:16

Ditto, I tried for some time to book Ann Dobson and was quite upset and feeling ignored at a time of desperation, by the time she got back to me I had had excellent help for free from an nct peer supporter.

MoreSnowPlease Wed 27-Mar-13 19:57:51

Thanks polly, fingers crossed it works!

Ann's contact details on website are correct. She us really bad at getting in touch though I've found. She must b really busy. I found phoning as often as I could was the best method for pinning her down!

caramelgirl Wed 27-Mar-13 19:51:55

Do any of you have up to date contact details for Ann? I emailed her via sher website several weeks ago (trying to prepare for DC2, am now 38 weeks) but no reply yet.

PollyIndia Wed 27-Mar-13 19:44:12

Sorry I took so long to come back but I see you found them. They also do a clinic in hoxton, east London

MoreSnowPlease Wed 27-Mar-13 19:33:59

The occ looks great, thanks, I have booked an appointment. I'm interested in the feeding and tt connection too badger and hope they can help with this. Do you remember what they said about why TTs form and why it causes a tight jaw? DS is so uncomfortable when feeding and I wonder if that's the reason.

BadgerFace Wed 27-Mar-13 17:18:46

I think that there are improvements as my daughter is opening her mouth wider. Although she is a bit older now so it could just be that!

The lady I am using is Sandie Ennis at Dulwich Therapy Rooms although Lizzie Lomax I think is the head osteopath there (and who I rang to see originally but was on holiday).

Sandie took a thorough history of my pregnancy and birth (which was an EMCS) and I was impressed by her explanations of why the tongue tie might have formed and why my daughter had a tight jaw. She has also pointed out things which aren't related like my daughter having a slightly flat head on one side (because she favours lying on it) which I hadn't noticed so I can try and do things to avoid it getting worse.

I have heard good things about the OCC as well.

Victoria2002 Wed 27-Mar-13 10:48:16

The occ! It's in Wandsworth town south west London. It's not for profit and you pay what you can afford-or nothing. I am able to pay, so I paid what I think is a usual osteopath fee, but I like that you don 't have to pay as I'm always sceptical of any therapist telling you you need several treatments if you are paying for each visit iykwim.

MoreSnowPlease Wed 27-Mar-13 10:26:14

We're outside the m25 near Guildford. I am happy to travel if it meant sorting it out but wary as I used a cranial sacral therapist which I thought was a cranial osteopath who is also a lactation consultant here and she wasn't very good (at either!) but cost me £70. Don't want to get caught in that trap again!

What's the name of the person you're seeing? Have you seen improvements?

BadgerFace Tue 26-Mar-13 21:59:33

Whereabouts are you? I used Ann to cut my DD's TT but have been using an osteopath more local to me in Se22 tan th ones she works with, although she does know the lady I am using it turns out. It's £40 per session which is much more reasonable than the £70 a friend is paying for one at London Bridge!

There's also a specialist centre at wandsworth I've heard but not sure what their prices are.

MoreSnowPlease Tue 26-Mar-13 20:37:58

Thats a shame polly i'm so unsure whether to do it it's so expensive!

What's OCC?

Thanks minipie I got in touch with Simon...still not sure whether to go though!

PollyIndia Tue 26-Mar-13 19:38:16

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minipie Mon 25-Mar-13 13:35:17

link fixed

minipie Mon 25-Mar-13 13:35:01

looks like it's Simon Prideaux from this site

MoreSnowPlease Mon 25-Mar-13 10:05:41

I am just wondering whether anyone knows which cranial osteopaths Ann Dobson the lactation consultant in London works with?

I need to take my son to see the cranial osteopath but don't want to go through Ann's clinic as he's too old to fix his tt issues now and will be a waste I think.

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