Help! Baby refusing to feed after tongue tie snip....

[LittleWaveyLines]

What do I do? She's hysterical, I'm upset and thinking I've done the wrong thing getting it done.... she's 23 weeks.

She fed really well straight after, and again after her bath, but she woke up and keeps attempting to feed but giving up after a pathetic single suck then crying....

:(

[organiccarrotcake]

wavey have you given her the maximum dose of both paracetamol and ibuprofen? This is normal and to be expected. If you remember I said mine was unsettled for the next 12 hours after the snip. "Unsettled" included from time to time struggling like this and it was horrible but it's to do with the swelling, and everything feeling wrong for her. That's why infant ibuprofen is important as it reduces swelling.

I'm going to PM you - check it out, ok? xxx

[organiccarrotcake]

OK sent. Read it :)

[LittleWaveyLines]

Update: organiccarrotcake held my hand during my panicking, and she fed during the night eventually - and for the first time in her life went 4 hours between feeds

[organiccarrotcake]

and (hugs).

[Mollcat]

Ooh, this reassuring, as I think we may be going for our third snip soon, at 6 months. The one at 12 weeks wasn't great and we had a very grouchy baby for a couple of days (wouldn't stop crying for the rest of the day after the procedure). I hope your daughter is carries on feeling better today, LWL, and the feeding continues to improve.

[organiccarrotcake]

Infant ibuprofen AND paracetamol, staggered a couple of hours apart, maximum dose allowed over 24 hours is essential to have at least in the cupboard (you can of course not give it). It covers both pain relief AND inflammation and makes a big difference to them.

And of course as much boob as they will take.

[Mollcat]

Ta muchly occ, have paracetamol and ibuprofen here in the cupboard but rarely used, so will check doses! Ann also suggested arnica. I guess it can't do any harm - either it's a sugar pill, or it helps. Having seen what difference the CO has made to him I am no longer discounting anything (and I NEVER thought I would say that). Had to order special lactose free ones though as he's now CMP allergic (TT-related...??)!

[MixedBerries]

Just wanted to say good luck everyone! Tongue-tied baby mum here too so I feel your pain!

[organiccarrotcake]

Well I'm not ashamed to say that I've been a huge fan of homeopathy for about 20 years (used it extremely successful on animals and children as well as adults). First real experience was with a pony who was due to be put down with arthritis (conventional meds no longer working) and the vet who had just started to look into HP decided to try it as a last resort. Within 6 months he was competing again and he died 6 years later from complications caused by the original allopathic meds. Vet took that as a success and went on to be one of the leading HP (while continuing his allopathic practise) in the North :) Assume he still is although been out of touch for 10 years.

Been VV good for dog with severe allergies, for instance, and my kids for things from night terrors to stomach aches to cold symptoms.

But yes, some of them are onto casein based pills or powder which is a bummer.

[Mollcat]

Helios were v helpful and sent me sugar granules the next day. Though that was ages ago as we've been exploring everything we can to avoid res-nipping... Sadly I don't think there is any other option as the TT is causing all sorts of other issues now (very difficult to bottle-feed - I think he gets jaw pain, ?reflux/GI issues - though eliminating dairy helped a lot, odd noises - he can only babble some of the time and grunts through gritted teeth otherwise, solids - struggles with swallowing and high palate). So we have to try and get it fixed really. Tried King's - not interested in helping as they don't believe it can be a problem for anything other than BFing and speech, so at 6 months the logical approach on that basis is wait and see, and reassure. I hate being reassured when I absolutely know he is still not right.
V interesting to hear about the pony - that's fascinating. I'm still skeptical about homeopathy but that's because I'm still coming round to seeing allopathic medicine for what it is . 6 months ago I thought osteopathy was a load of old rubbish whereas it's been hugely helpful for us.

[LittleWaveyLines]

OK so yesterday she was pretty normal - a but pale and quiet in the morning, but then sh had spent 3 hours of the night crying.

Today - normal - AND...... slept for 4 hour stretches! (I didn't of course - kept waking up to check she was OK like a muppet )

Is this extra sleep related to the snip?

[MixedBerries]

Hi Wavey. I'm glad you got the TT sorted. My LO had his done twice and honestly, I don't think he even noticed- as far as I can tell it didn't upset him at all and it didn't affect his behaviour in any way. The sleep could be due to anything. But then my DS was much younger (he's only 8 weeks now). Maybe that makes a difference. Just wanted to share our experience and hope it might be helpful. Is feeding any easier/more pain free now when she does feed? I hope so. I'm sure things will settle down soon but if you are worried still, see if you can call them to ask about your concerns.

[organiccarrotcake]

wavey I guess you'll soon find out

mollcat (and wavey) cranial osteopathy is often very helpful after a TT snip as there's a whole load of compression that's released or changed with the snip.

mollcat regular osteopathy is only classed as "alternative" as it's not on the NHS. Apparently (according to my OP) when the NHS was set up they had to choose between OP and physiotherapy (I don't know why) being offered "free" and PT was chosen leaving OP as an "alternative". Could easily have been the other way around - or so he said.

I don't understand how CO works. I've just seen it working well - but only when I found a good CO. The first I used did no good at all.

[Mampig]

LWL:
goodness me, you've had a rough time recently!! I've only just seen the thread. Fair play to you, taking the plunge for snip like that!! Maybe your dd is taking longer feeds now?? I really hope things keep getting better for u

[LittleWaveyLines]

Well another good nights' sleep - and she fed only every 2 hours+ during the day rather than every hour or so... and every 3 -4 hours during the night rather than every 2!

Can't be a coincidence surely? Clicking when feeding is practically gone, and she's not burping sick so much...

[Mampig]

Wow- fantastic!!!

[organiccarrotcake]

Fabulous news! Sounds like things are settling down. If she's not burping so much, maybe she's swallowing less air because her latch is better so she's better able to fill with milk and not be uncomfy. Totally unscientific supposition BTW and not based on any knowledge!!

I'm just chuffed things are going in the right way!

[Mollcat]

occ snap with the CO, first one might as well have been me sitting there with my hands on his head for half an hour, second one much better. He's been doing his own unique mix of CO and common/garden O, so difficult to tell whether it's really the CO which helps. However, when he's treated me, I can only describe it as feeling like my head is swimming slightly. Very odd. But the first time I felt like I wanted to go for a run when I got home!

[organiccarrotcake]

I'd quite fancied giving it a try myself but haven't done yet. I do go to a regular O who is wonderful!

[Mollcat]

Go on, have a go! Feels a bit like your brain is tingling (to me anyway). And should you be subjecting your child to something you haven't tried yourself?

[organiccarrotcake]

LOL I'm sure I subject them to lots of things I don't do myself but probably should, like going to bed at 7pm . But no, I may, it's just justifying the cost....

[Mollcat]

We have a sort of joint appointment in a while where once the CO has finished working on the baby he does 10 minutes on me. Perhaps it's a sort of "buy 10 zillion sessions, get a quick cranial rhythm adjustment free" deal. Or he just thinks I look so stressed I might explode and make a mess of his carpet.