The pain from the thrush has nearly gone, but I realise we have another issue as well. My nipples are always wedge shaed after a feed and I think his tongue is rubbing on the nipple. I've Googled and Googled, but nothing I do gets his latch deeper. He has been checked for tongue-tie and cab stick his tongue right out,
We have tried biological nurturing, nipple sandwich, angling the nipple to the roof of his mouth, shoving him on hard when he opens wide,,, Things are better, but still really need improving.. we still have painful feedss ( different from thrush pain)
i had similar issue with mine and we just needed to adjust our positioning slightly
that said, my nipples are always wedge shaped after a feed, so although that is used as a diagnostic tool it isn't always a problem iyswim? have managed to feed 2 babies for over 16 months each despite it!
obv if you're in pain tho it needs to be looked at
one of the problems i had with my 3rd was that i was trying too hard to get a deep latch. i was interfering and pushing too much in and we were ending up with a not great latch and bad positioning.
improved when i started letting him go to the breast himself. so sit with boob out, let it "hang" naturally. then just bring baby up towards the breast and let him latch on
make sure baby isn't too far round (towards armpit)- that's also what i was doing and he was pulling on the breast and slipping off
I've tried the lying back skin-to-skin, but he generally ends up frustraterd. To be honest, I keep switching between letting him latch on and doing the sandwich thing and aiming my nipple at the roof of his mouth - I can't decide whether one is better or not.
Sometimes he seems to get a really good latch, but the tugging/ sucking feeling is so strong it's almost painful - don't knmow whether that means it's also wrong...
yeah it can be painful due to latch and i think that a lot of bad latch problems are misdiagnosed with thrush. if it was thrush you would expect to have itchy, red, sore nipples, poss shiny looking. a later symptom of it can be shooting pains in the breast, including between feeds.
it is however possible that a previous bout of thrush just wasn't properly got rid of and has come back again. how were you treated for it last time?
I'm still being treated for thrush: Fluconazole x2 a day, Daktarin cream for nipples (don't tende to put on when cluster feeding due to ds swallowing) ds has daktarin for his mouth x2 daily. Pus antibiotics to rule out strep infection - finish thses 7 days begore fluconazole. Plus I bought some probiotics.
For thinking it is thrush:
} vaginal thrush throughout pregnancy (kept recurring despite treatment) } antibiotcs during delivery and 2 lots after } pink shiny nipples } Burning starts after feeding (but when cluster feeding, ends up being constant)
Makes me not sure:
} definite shallow latch (scabs, although these are still here, they got better after starting thrush treatment) } some feeds are totally pain free, others agony } latching on is almost always agony especially after a break
Sometime my nipples are really sensitive between feeds, other times not.
Don't know where to go from here - don't want to give up though.
hmmm, whereabouts are you? i seem to have ended up being friends with half the LLL leaders in the country so could maybe point you in the direction of a nice one? sometimes you just need another perspective on things
Agree with the others, you need to see a bfing expert.
I found that timing was the key to a good latch - latch the baby on just when they are starting to open their mouth; if you wait until the mouth is wide open, by the time you latch them on, their little mouths will be starting to close slightly.
my lo was tt and i had to be strict and get a deep latch once the nasty crack had healed. the flipple was great, although i have heard a bfing counsellor say it is a terrible method. very confusing! it worked for us. it ensures the baby's chin is IN the breast, compressing it, and that there is lots of nipple on the other side. it also ensures there is a big gap between the baby's nose and the breast and the baby has their head tipped back so they can drink effectively, like when you are drinking from a coke can. hth
Interesting. I've been doing that flipple a bit but was worried it was wrong.
Is that true about the mouth? I posted a thread earlier this week saying I though latching on was like those penny arcade machines, just waiting for the right moment before her mouth closes again!
To answer the OP, I believe I've tried everything with my DD to get her to latch more deeply, including "the flipple" (although I didn't realise that's what it's called!). Whatever I do, she pulls herself away and either comes off and relatches or just stays pulled away. Occasionally she will initiate a good deep latch and feeding is very comfortable. Most of the time she won't and it's mildly to moderately uncomfortable. She's 20 weeks now. If you find a solution, be sure to update this thread - please!
Yes, I liked the milkmatters idea too and was interested to know that you can make a business by being a bfc without having to be a fully fledged lactation consultant.
I then spent the rest of my evening reading the Analytical Armadillo blog - fascinating!
Well I've noticed a pattern to the pain, don't know whether it'll male any defference, though.
5pm opnwards/ evening - pain free (breast is much softer) - start to emjoy and think it'll be ok
11pm through the night - breasts get more and more tender - if I have a longer sleep, they get very sensitive and hurt if anything brushes on them (even clothes)
morning - soreness progresses onto 'sandpaper feeds' - very uncomfortable.
afternoon - less sandpaper, more sore again
Don't know whether this can help me make a difference, but it's been the same for a few days now.
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