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CaptainCaveman Wed 09-Jan-08 17:23:58

so, scan went well and we are only having the one (phew!). Saw the heart beat and tiny bean is just 2cm crown to rump!!
8w 4d, gives me a revised due date of aug 16th. Yay, am so happy!!

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Buckets Wed 09-Jan-08 17:49:22

Zowie Cavy!grin And people are always on MN swearing they've felt baby movement in the first trimester - I don't see how at that size LOL.

Buddhababe Wed 09-Jan-08 18:06:48

CaptainCaveman, that is fab news. YOu must be relieved

SKF, I am really sorry to hear that. Sending best wishes your way. Take care

Twilightsurfer, thanks for that information by the way.

No other news here from me, just feeling knackered so I am going to put my feet up and watch some TV.

dizzydixies Wed 09-Jan-08 18:18:50

am so pleased for you captaincaveman thats wonderful news, my scan is still another week and other than feeling shattered (could be lack of sleep due to shifts or fact dd2 isn't sleeping well at moment) and occasional bouts of indegestion am not sure how this one is going!

SKF - am gutted for you, there is nothing really that anyone can say at a time like this except take all the time you need to deal with it, this is a genuine loss and you have to greive it as such. We lost one before dd1 and now have 2 beautiful girls so it is possible! take care xxx

buddhababe, am planning the same kind of evening as you once the battle of the bath/bottle/bed is over!!

gigglegirl Wed 09-Jan-08 18:20:44

hurrah so excited for you having seen your little one! Am so worried about the possibility of two babies making number four become four and five! had to have a really early scan when I was in hospital but they couldn't say how many there were. I know three people who had twins the fourth time round - am starting to wonder if it is more common!

Kids all in bed which means I can start working again although i'd quite like to go to bed!

alittlebitshy Wed 09-Jan-08 18:50:12

ooh - maybe i'll mange to catch up on this new thread.

sad for SFK

Still feeling really sick. thought it was a bit better and both cheered and worried simultaneously, but it's back. Haven't actually been sick for nearly 2 weeks (yay - but xmas was baaaaad), but feeling so so rough.

TwilightSurfer Wed 09-Jan-08 19:30:34

Captain that puts you same as me...I'm 8W+4D today too. Let's see who gets to the finish line first. grin Hey where's your picture??

Petitfilou oops. I try to stay on as few threads as possible because I'm really bad about mixing people up. Just glad though as I really thought it'd be too early to know the sex if you were on this thread at the present.

Interesting that the CVS test might show the sex result...will google. I think that's part of the tests I have on 04FEB.

MAJOR nausea ALL DAY so far. I've been force feeding myself to get only minutes worth of relief. Can't eat much at once anyway. Ordered my favorite burrito at this little Mexican restuarant for lunch and could only stomach about 3cm of it. Brought the rest home to heat up later (hopefully). Thankfully nothing's come back up but just feel like absolute crud. The fresh air was nice today. It's about 15C right now and extremely sunny. Let DD ride her new bike around outside. I did a little walking while she road. The exercise felt good too. OH AND my chocolate-caramel covered popcorn got delivered while I was out. We broke into that a few minutes ago......YUM!

TwilightSurfer Wed 09-Jan-08 19:59:00

Okay I researched the CVS test and can honestly say I'm NOT going to have it. I had already crossed any Amnio's off my list and the CVS is basically the same thing. NO NEEDLES NEAR THE BABY! The test I am having at 12+2 is the Nuchal Translucency Screening. Don't know how I got that confused with the CVS. So I guess I won't be finding out the sex until that 20 week scan after all.

hopefully Wed 09-Jan-08 20:29:47

Caveman I posted on the previous thread, but it probably got lost in the excitement of the new thread! Can you tell me a bit more about where you had your scan, and how much it cost? I'm thinking of getting a dating scan when I'm in the vicinity of 8 weeks gone (around 5.4 weeks at the moment)

Thanks and sorry again for hijacking!

ChaCha Wed 09-Jan-08 20:58:52

CaptainC - Glad to hear your scan went well, was thinking of you, hurray!!!!

Off to bed, vomiting since home and crying for no reason and just all over the place, need to just switch off. Scan wonderful, baby measuring 9+2, little ball with heartbeat and all fine.

Talk soon, hi to everyone...a shattered and emotional wreck x

CaptainCaveman Wed 09-Jan-08 21:18:18

Aw fab news for you too Chacha, really pleased all went well grin .
I showed ds the picture and he said "oh, can I watch my telly programmes now". obv not trained his eye to see 2cm babies yet!!

Sorry hopefully I did see your message! I went to a place called proscan which is in nottingham - my friend recommended it. Am sure if you look on www.yell.com you should be able to find something local to you? It cost £50 for the dating scan, which included the scan, a report and of course, piccies!

TS will try to add them to my profile....don't hold your breath though, I've got to get them on the pc first!! Yay for same day due babies - transatlantic twins! Your dd is just a couple of months older than my ds too!

SKF am so sorry to hear your news. Praying for you and your family, espeically over the next few days.

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CaptainCaveman Wed 09-Jan-08 21:23:27

29-JUL SKF
29-JUL Miamla
30-JUL JoanWilder (DD 17mths)
31-JUL Merrydaisy (DD 2.6yrs)
31-JUL BraveNewWorld
31-JUL SassyLou (DD 7yrs, DD 5yrs)
01-AUG Dutchindo (DS 8yyrs, DD 7yrs, & DS 14mths)
01-AUG Foghornleghorn (DD1 3yrs & DD2 1 yr)
01-AUG PhilB
02-AUG Vintagegardenia (9yrs)
02-AUG Mum2b1
02-AUG IlanaK (DS 6yrs & 3yrs)
03-AUG Gemzooks (DS 13mths)
04-AUG Bigboydiditandranaway (DS 20mths)
06-AUG LadyOfWaffle (DS 21 Months)Berkshire
06-AUG Kittenpaws
06-AUG Sweetiesandcakes (DD 2.5yrs)
08-AUG Shazza2002 (DD 5yrs)
08-AUG Mummypud (DD 22mths)
08-AUG Louismummy (DS 3yrs & DS 19mths)
08-AUG StarlightStarbrightSKYTVtonight (DS 7mths & DDs 7yrs & 11yrs)
09-AUG Pertelote
10-AUG Iliketotrickortreat (2 x DD 1 x DS)
10-AUG Bealcain (ds1 2, ds2 10mo)
12-AUG Thinking (DD 15mths)
12-AUG MagicMonkey (DS 17mths)
12-AUG Gigglegirl (DD 4yrs, DS 2yrs, & DS 1yr)
12-AUG AlbertaWildRose (DS 18mths)
13-AUG PoinsettiaBouquets
13-AUG MollieMooma
14-AUG TheApprentice (DS1yr)
14-AUG Hardygirl
14-Aug Juliewoolie (DS 7mths)East London
15-AUG RachAndFamousNot
16-AUG TwilightSurfer (DD 3.10yrs) Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
11-AUG CaptainCaveman (DS 3.8yrs) Nottingham
17-AUG Poppysocks (DD 22months)
17-AUG Warthog (DD 21 months)
18-AUG Browncat (DS 18months)
22-AUG Frances123 (DD 5 mths)
22-AUG Buddhbabe (DS 14 Months)
27-AUG PennyBenjamin
30-AUG Ellasmum1
TBC-AUG Dancerandprancer (DD24 months)
TBC-AUG Lewisham
TBC-AUG Kaz33 (DS 6yrs & DS 4yrs)
TBC-AUG ChaCha (DC 2yrs & 10mths)
TBC-AUG Sarahn (DD 2yrs )
TBC-AUG Feb (DS 10 mnths)
01-SEP RomySchneider (DD 20months

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CaptainCaveman Wed 09-Jan-08 21:24:48

Dur, moved my date but didnt' change it....
Feel free to add you locations in!

29-JUL SKF
29-JUL Miamla
30-JUL JoanWilder (DD 17mths)
31-JUL Merrydaisy (DD 2.6yrs)
31-JUL BraveNewWorld
31-JUL SassyLou (DD 7yrs, DD 5yrs)
01-AUG Dutchindo (DS 8yyrs, DD 7yrs, & DS 14mths)
01-AUG Foghornleghorn (DD1 3yrs & DD2 1 yr)
01-AUG PhilB
02-AUG Vintagegardenia (9yrs)
02-AUG Mum2b1
02-AUG IlanaK (DS 6yrs & 3yrs)
03-AUG Gemzooks (DS 13mths)
04-AUG Bigboydiditandranaway (DS 20mths)
06-AUG LadyOfWaffle (DS 21 Months)Berkshire
06-AUG Kittenpaws
06-AUG Sweetiesandcakes (DD 2.5yrs)
08-AUG Shazza2002 (DD 5yrs)
08-AUG Mummypud (DD 22mths)
08-AUG Louismummy (DS 3yrs & DS 19mths)
08-AUG StarlightStarbrightSKYTVtonight (DS 7mths & DDs 7yrs & 11yrs)
09-AUG Pertelote
10-AUG Iliketotrickortreat (2 x DD 1 x DS)
10-AUG Bealcain (ds1 2, ds2 10mo)
12-AUG Thinking (DD 15mths)
12-AUG MagicMonkey (DS 17mths)
12-AUG Gigglegirl (DD 4yrs, DS 2yrs, & DS 1yr)
12-AUG AlbertaWildRose (DS 18mths)
13-AUG PoinsettiaBouquets
13-AUG MollieMooma
14-AUG TheApprentice (DS1yr)
14-AUG Hardygirl
14-Aug Juliewoolie (DS 7mths)East London
15-AUG RachAndFamousNot
16-AUG TwilightSurfer (DD 3.10yrs) Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
16-AUG CaptainCaveman (DS 3.8yrs) Nottingham
17-AUG Poppysocks (DD 22months)
17-AUG Warthog (DD 21 months)
18-AUG Browncat (DS 18months)
22-AUG Frances123 (DD 5 mths)
22-AUG Buddhbabe (DS 14 Months)
27-AUG PennyBenjamin
30-AUG Ellasmum1
TBC-AUG Dancerandprancer (DD24 months)
TBC-AUG Lewisham
TBC-AUG Kaz33 (DS 6yrs & DS 4yrs)
TBC-AUG ChaCha (DC 2yrs & 10mths)
TBC-AUG Sarahn (DD 2yrs )
TBC-AUG Feb (DS 10 mnths)
01-SEP RomySchneider (DD 20months

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longwayfromhome Wed 09-Jan-08 21:39:17

Hello all, good to catch up on the news, although lots of thoughts for people having a hard time at the moment. The ginger biscuit recipe from before Christmas may have helped the nausea a bit but was definitely a big success with my ILs. Thanks!

Still feeling sick most of the time, but not actually throwing up.

I have a scan booked for tomorrow - I'm living abroad at the moment and the local private hospital here apparently scans at 9 weeks. Mostly just feeling nervous.

dizzydixies Wed 09-Jan-08 23:19:23

have decided to brave it and very tentatively added myself to list, I didn't want to jinx it until scan next week but hey ho - here's caution to the wind.

chacha - thats great news from your scan

longwayfromhome - hope you're feeling better tomorrow and your scan goes well
x

29-JUL SKF
29-JUL Miamla
30-JUL JoanWilder (DD 17mths)
31-JUL Merrydaisy (DD 2.6yrs)
31-JUL BraveNewWorld
31-JUL SassyLou (DD 7yrs, DD 5yrs)
01-AUG Dutchindo (DS 8yyrs, DD 7yrs, & DS 14mths)
01-AUG Foghornleghorn (DD1 3yrs & DD2 1 yr)
01-AUG PhilB
02-AUG Vintagegardenia (9yrs)
02-AUG Mum2b1
02-AUG IlanaK (DS 6yrs & 3yrs)
03-AUG Gemzooks (DS 13mths)
04-AUG Bigboydiditandranaway (DS 20mths)
06-AUG LadyOfWaffle (DS 21 Months)Berkshire
06-AUG Kittenpaws
06-AUG Sweetiesandcakes (DD 2.5yrs)
08-AUG Shazza2002 (DD 5yrs)
08-AUG Mummypud (DD 22mths)
08-AUG Louismummy (DS 3yrs & DS 19mths)
08-AUG StarlightStarbrightSKYTVtonight (DS 7mths & DDs 7yrs & 11yrs)
09-AUG Pertelote
10-AUG Iliketotrickortreat (2 x DD 1 x DS)
10-AUG Bealcain (ds1 2, ds2 10mo)
12-AUG Thinking (DD 15mths)
12-AUG MagicMonkey (DS 17mths)
12-AUG Gigglegirl (DD 4yrs, DS 2yrs, & DS 1yr)
12-AUG AlbertaWildRose (DS 18mths)
13-AUG PoinsettiaBouquets
13-AUG MollieMooma
14-AUG TheApprentice (DS1yr)
14-AUG Hardygirl
14-Aug Juliewoolie (DS 7mths)East London
15-AUG RachAndFamousNot
16-AUG TwilightSurfer (DD 3.10yrs) Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
16-AUG CaptainCaveman (DS 3.8yrs) Nottingham
17-AUG Poppysocks (DD 22months)
17-AUG Warthog (DD 21 months)
18-AUG Browncat (DS 18months)
22-AUG Frances123 (DD 5 mths)
22-AUG Buddhbabe (DS 14 Months)
27-AUG PennyBenjamin
30-AUG Ellasmum1
TBC-AUG Dancerandprancer (DD24 months)
TBC-AUG Lewisham
TBC-AUG Kaz33 (DS 6yrs & DS 4yrs)
TBC-AUG ChaCha (DC 2yrs & 10mths)
TBC-AUG Sarahn (DD 2yrs )
TBC-AUG Feb (DS 10 mnths)
TBC-AUG Dizzydixies (DD1 4yr & DD2 19mon)Fife
01-SEP RomySchneider (DD 20months

Jennylee Thu 10-Jan-08 00:13:24

Added myself also

29-JUL SKF
29-JUL Miamla
30-JUL JoanWilder (DD 17mths)
31-JUL Merrydaisy (DD 2.6yrs)
31-JUL BraveNewWorld
31-JUL SassyLou (DD 7yrs, DD 5yrs)
01-AUG Dutchindo (DS 8yyrs, DD 7yrs, & DS 14mths)
01-AUG Foghornleghorn (DD1 3yrs & DD2 1 yr)
01-AUG PhilB
02-AUG Vintagegardenia (9yrs)
02-AUG Mum2b1
02-AUG IlanaK (DS 6yrs & 3yrs)
03-AUG Gemzooks (DS 13mths)
04-AUG Bigboydiditandranaway (DS 20mths)
06-AUG LadyOfWaffle (DS 21 Months)Berkshire
06-AUG Kittenpaws
06-AUG Sweetiesandcakes (DD 2.5yrs)
08-AUG Shazza2002 (DD 5yrs)
08-AUG Mummypud (DD 22mths)
08-AUG Louismummy (DS 3yrs & DS 19mths)
08-AUG StarlightStarbrightSKYTVtonight (DS 7mths & DDs 7yrs & 11yrs)
09-AUG Pertelote
10-AUG Iliketotrickortreat (2 x DD 1 x DS)
10-AUG Bealcain (ds1 2, ds2 10mo)
12-AUG Thinking (DD 15mths)
12-AUG MagicMonkey (DS 17mths)
12-AUG Gigglegirl (DD 4yrs, DS 2yrs, & DS 1yr)
12-AUG AlbertaWildRose (DS 18mths)
13-AUG PoinsettiaBouquets
13-AUG MollieMooma
14-AUG TheApprentice (DS1yr)
14-AUG Hardygirl
14-Aug Juliewoolie (DS 7mths)East London
15-AUG RachAndFamousNot
16-AUG TwilightSurfer (DD 3.10yrs) Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
16-AUG CaptainCaveman (DS 3.8yrs) Nottingham
17-AUG Poppysocks (DD 22months)
17-AUG Warthog (DD 21 months)
18-AUG Browncat (DS 18months)
21-AUG Jennylee (DS 8yrs +10 mnths)
22-AUG Frances123 (DD 5 mths)
22-AUG Buddhbabe (DS 14 Months)
27-AUG PennyBenjamin
30-AUG Ellasmum1
TBC-AUG Dancerandprancer (DD24 months)
TBC-AUG Lewisham
TBC-AUG Kaz33 (DS 6yrs & DS 4yrs)
TBC-AUG ChaCha (DC 2yrs & 10mths)
TBC-AUG Sarahn (DD 2yrs )
TBC-AUG Feb (DS 10 mnths)
TBC-AUG Dizzydixies (DD1 4yr & DD2 19mon)Fife
01-SEP RomySchneider (DD 20months

LadyOfWaffle Thu 10-Jan-08 00:18:12

Haven't been on for a while, MS still in full swing and I probably won't be on much until it goes - hopefully only about 2-3 weeks left fingers crossed. Just though i'd pop my head round the door so to speak, haven't been on the old thread but hope everyone is well xxx

TwilightSurfer Thu 10-Jan-08 00:51:15

Okay here's proof that I'm totally crazy. I just purchased my first bit of maternity wear... check it out. There was a coupon on the site that gave me a discount that allowed me to get a pair of crop pants FOR FREE!! Couldn't pass it up. Now when the weather gets warmer DH will HAVE TO take me out!!!

Welcome Welcome Jennylee & DizzyDixies

NIGHT grin

leifmum Thu 10-Jan-08 08:54:40

Hi all! Had my gorgeous dd Aug 3rd last year so keep thinking back to "this time last year.......!" maybe time to ttc again!! Anyway good luck to you all, will keep having a look at the thread to see how you're all doing! smile

juliewoolie Thu 10-Jan-08 09:37:56

Morning everyone.

TS I am with you I spent yesterday arvo getting out all my Mat clothes, which annoyingly I had only a couple of months ago put to the back of my closet! I also bought some shorts in a sale the other day in prep for being the size of a house by the summer. grin

HOpe all the ms sufferers feel better today, touvh wood not feeling sick today - yay.

Buckets Thu 10-Jan-08 09:53:17

Just updating my details.

29-JUL SKF
29-JUL Miamla
30-JUL JoanWilder (DD 17mths)
31-JUL Merrydaisy (DD 2.6yrs)
31-JUL BraveNewWorld
31-JUL SassyLou (DD 7yrs, DD 5yrs)
01-AUG Dutchindo (DS 8yyrs, DD 7yrs, & DS 14mths)
01-AUG Foghornleghorn (DD1 3yrs & DD2 1 yr)
01-AUG PhilB
02-AUG Vintagegardenia (9yrs)
02-AUG Mum2b1
02-AUG IlanaK (DS 6yrs & 3yrs)
03-AUG Gemzooks (DS 13mths)
04-AUG Bigboydiditandranaway (DS 20mths)
06-AUG LadyOfWaffle (DS 21 Months)Berkshire
06-AUG Kittenpaws
06-AUG Sweetiesandcakes (DD 2.5yrs)
08-AUG Shazza2002 (DD 5yrs)
08-AUG Mummypud (DD 22mths)
08-AUG Louismummy (DS 3yrs & DS 19mths)
08-AUG StarlightStarbrightSKYTVtonight (DS 7mths & DDs 7yrs & 11yrs)
09-AUG Pertelote
10-AUG Iliketotrickortreat (2 x DD 1 x DS)
10-AUG Bealcain (ds1 2, ds2 10mo)
12-AUG Thinking (DD 15mths)
12-AUG MagicMonkey (DS 17mths)
12-AUG Gigglegirl (DD 4yrs, DS 2yrs, & DS 1yr)
12-AUG AlbertaWildRose (DS 18mths)
13-AUG Buckets (DD 4, DS nrly3) Southampton
13-AUG MollieMooma
14-AUG TheApprentice (DS1yr)
14-AUG Hardygirl
14-Aug Juliewoolie (DS 7mths)East London
15-AUG RachAndFamousNot
16-AUG TwilightSurfer (DD 3.10yrs) Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
16-AUG CaptainCaveman (DS 3.8yrs) Nottingham
17-AUG Poppysocks (DD 22months)
17-AUG Warthog (DD 21 months)
18-AUG Browncat (DS 18months)
21-AUG Jennylee (DS 8yrs +10 mnths)
22-AUG Frances123 (DD 5 mths)
22-AUG Buddhbabe (DS 14 Months)
27-AUG PennyBenjamin
30-AUG Ellasmum1
TBC-AUG Dancerandprancer (DD24 months)
TBC-AUG Lewisham
TBC-AUG Kaz33 (DS 6yrs & DS 4yrs)
TBC-AUG ChaCha (DC 2yrs & 10mths)
TBC-AUG Sarahn (DD 2yrs )
TBC-AUG Feb (DS 10 mnths)
TBC-AUG Dizzydixies (DD1 4yr & DD2 19mon)Fife
01-SEP RomySchneider (DD 20months

SKF Thu 10-Jan-08 10:09:46

Hello ladies

You might want to remove me from the list.
Happy pregnancy vibes going out to you all.

xx

PennyBenjamin Thu 10-Jan-08 10:56:32

Morning all,

Well, I had a bit of a day yesterday - some brown bleeding, combined with stomach cramps and a total lack of MS. As you can imagine, sent me into a bit of a flap, but thankfully no more today, and MS back with a vengeance, so fingers crossed.

Hope everyone else is OK today, and my heart goes out to you SKF. I can't even imagine how you're feeling, but after my minor scare yesterday I got a taste of the despair. Take care of yourself.

libbyssister Thu 10-Jan-08 11:49:38

Hi all
Sorry to hear your news SFK, sad news.

Who mentioned itching. Is that a sign of something bad? I'm very itchy!!

I had my booking appt yesterday and due on 24 August (well until the dating scan proves otherwise...?) so adding myself to the list!

29-JUL Miamla
30-JUL JoanWilder (DD 17mths)
31-JUL Merrydaisy (DD 2.6yrs)
31-JUL BraveNewWorld
31-JUL SassyLou (DD 7yrs, DD 5yrs)
01-AUG Dutchindo (DS 8yyrs, DD 7yrs, & DS 14mths)
01-AUG Foghornleghorn (DD1 3yrs & DD2 1 yr)
01-AUG PhilB
02-AUG Vintagegardenia (9yrs)
02-AUG Mum2b1
02-AUG IlanaK (DS 6yrs & 3yrs)
03-AUG Gemzooks (DS 13mths)
04-AUG Bigboydiditandranaway (DS 20mths)
06-AUG LadyOfWaffle (DS 21 Months)Berkshire
06-AUG Kittenpaws
06-AUG Sweetiesandcakes (DD 2.5yrs)
08-AUG Shazza2002 (DD 5yrs)
08-AUG Mummypud (DD 22mths)
08-AUG Louismummy (DS 3yrs & DS 19mths)
08-AUG StarlightStarbrightSKYTVtonight (DS 7mths & DDs 7yrs & 11yrs)
09-AUG Pertelote
10-AUG Iliketotrickortreat (2 x DD 1 x DS)
10-AUG Bealcain (ds1 2, ds2 10mo)
12-AUG Thinking (DD 15mths)
12-AUG MagicMonkey (DS 17mths)
12-AUG Gigglegirl (DD 4yrs, DS 2yrs, & DS 1yr)
12-AUG AlbertaWildRose (DS 18mths)
13-AUG Buckets (DD 4, DS nrly3) Southampton
13-AUG MollieMooma
14-AUG TheApprentice (DS1yr)
14-AUG Hardygirl
14-Aug Juliewoolie (DS 7mths)East London
15-AUG RachAndFamousNot
16-AUG TwilightSurfer (DD 3.10yrs) Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
16-AUG CaptainCaveman (DS 3.8yrs) Nottingham
17-AUG Poppysocks (DD 22months)
17-AUG Warthog (DD 21 months)
18-AUG Browncat (DS 18months)
21-AUG Jennylee (DS 8yrs +10 mnths)
22-AUG Frances123 (DD 5 mths)
22-AUG Buddhbabe (DS 14 Months)
24-AUG Libbyssister (DS 2.8 months
27-AUG PennyBenjamin
30-AUG Ellasmum1
TBC-AUG Dancerandprancer (DD24 months)
TBC-AUG Lewisham
TBC-AUG Kaz33 (DS 6yrs & DS 4yrs)
TBC-AUG ChaCha (DC 2yrs & 10mths)
TBC-AUG Sarahn (DD 2yrs )
TBC-AUG Feb (DS 10 mnths)
TBC-AUG Dizzydixies (DD1 4yr & DD2 19mon)Fife
01-SEP RomySchneider (DD 20months)

Buckets Thu 10-Jan-08 12:02:24

Libbysister did you mention the itching at your appointment? Have a look here.

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