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A mum I know of has died leaving three dc. What can we do to help the dh and children?

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VanillaPumpkin · 14/01/2009 13:58

Are there any books / support networks you would recommend that I could pass on to the dad to help him and especially the children?
We all feel utterly useless. I did not know the family well, but have to do something . Any advice gratefully received. TIA.

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Deemented · 14/01/2009 14:07

Oh no - my condolences for all involved.

Support wise, i think practical things are always welcome. Maybe a hot meal or a casserole ect cooked for them, or sort out the washing or do some ironing, maybe offer to do the shopping of the school run, they are all things that might help practically.

Emotionally, that may be more difficult. How old are the children? Winstons wish is a great website which has lots of info and advice about dealing with bereaved children. Also see if you can get hold of a copy of a book called 'When Dinosaurs Die' by Laurie Kransy Brown. It's a book aimed at young children, from the ages of 3 and up, i'd say, and it deals well with all aspects of death - i've found it really useful when trying to help my four year old comprehend the death of his brother, daddy and nana.

One thing though - please don;t forget about them after the funeral - it's then that they will need help the most, in my experience.

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McDreamy · 14/01/2009 14:09

VP that's awful so sorry to hear this.

I guess just offering support, maybe a meal to take round? Are the children the same age as yours? Would offering to have a child/children for a while be appropriate - tbh I have no idea - how tragic

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VanillaPumpkin · 14/01/2009 14:12

It is completely tragic isn't it?

Thanks for your comments and Deemented I am so sorry for your losses too.

I will look up Winston's wish and the book you suggest, thank you. I don't want to post too many details as it is not really my place iyswim but the dc are 7 3 and 9mths so the book sounds perfect thank you.

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NAB3lovelychildren · 14/01/2009 14:13

Oh heck

Was the mother ill or was it sudden? I am wondering if the older child knew this might happen.

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Bubble99 · 14/01/2009 14:18

Practically.

Meals to put in the freezer.

Offer to pick the children up from school/take them to school in the morning.

Emotionally I'd say to give the dad space but be there IF he wants to talk. Same for the DCs, I imagine they will be in shock for a while to come.

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VanillaPumpkin · 14/01/2009 14:21

Thank you. It was a sudden illness, a huge shock for all.
I know the children, but they don't know me so I can't help with them if that makes sense. I think that is why it is so hard as the dh won't know who I am apart from a Mum at Nursery. He does seem to have some good support so this is partly for me as well as for them iyswim....

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Deemented · 14/01/2009 14:24

Maybe pop round one evening with something to put in his freezer, and explain that you're from nursery and if they need anything ect, and leave your mobile number with him?

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Scum · 14/01/2009 14:25

How utterly awful. Poor children and dad.

If you don't know them well, I wouldn't do anything except let them know how sorry you are and check if there's anything they'd like you to do. I know you mean really well- you sound like lovely- but it may just be an imposition to offer support unless they want it and want it from you. I remember when my mum died wishing some of the peripheral folk who we didn't really know would go away and leave us alone . They were only being sympathetic and trying to help but grief needs space as well as good wishes and support, imo. I only really wanted my closest family and friends around. Hopefully there are closer people who will be able to offer more effective support to this family. However, I would definitely send a sympathy card, telling them what a lovely person you thought their mum/wife was and stating all the specific things you admired about her. Mention in the card that they shouldn't hesitate to ask if there's anything you can do and highlight anything you'd be particularly happy to do such as cooking/childcare/being a listening ear etc. And as others have said, keep talking to them now and in the furture and make it clear that you're around if they need you. hth.

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Scum · 14/01/2009 14:27

you sound lovely, I mean, not like lovely.

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BonsoirAnna · 14/01/2009 14:27

I think practical, non-invasive help is best - offer to take do a week's laundry/ironing in your own home?

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VanillaPumpkin · 14/01/2009 14:32

Yes, thankyou.
Scum - That is exactly it. I am definitely one of those peripheral people. I just thought if I can give him a book and a note with a website on or something it may sort of help in the future, though not now.

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NAB3lovelychildren · 14/01/2009 14:34

I would put a card through the door. Say what you are able to help with and leave numbers.

So sad for them all.

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Scum · 14/01/2009 14:41

I think the thing that helped most for me was the cards and letters about my mum saying how fab she was, so don't assume that writing won't make a real difference. She died when I was a teenager and I still read then every now and then. For those peripheralness doesn't matter at all 1) because it's amazing that people who didn't even know her and us that well noiticed nice, quirky things about her and 2) because volume counts as it was good to see how many people she had touched and was admired/loved/liked by, even if only from afar.

i would personally wait to be asked for book and website type stuff.

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VanillaPumpkin · 14/01/2009 14:52

Thank you. Perhaps I will speak to Nursery about the book etc.
I am worried this is more for me than them iyswim.

School run. Will be back.
Thanks again.

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DadInsteadofMum · 14/01/2009 21:59

Don't offer to help - just do it or encourage others to just do it. When my wife died I was all over the place somebody (I have my suspicions) organised people to do stuff so that the kids were still fed and got to school, the kids had somewhere to go when I needed to go to the solicitors; and the house grew laundry fairies, the kids stuff would disappear and reappear cleaned and ironed (none of these women were brave enought to face my stuff). When people just offered help I was all over teh place and had no idea what I wanted people to do.

When DW died everybody said the right thing, but the ones that did the right thing that made a real difference and it wasn't necessarily our closest friends that came through.

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piscesmoon · 14/01/2009 22:09

DadInsteadofMum is so right, often the most surprising people are the most helpful. He is also right about just helping. The worst thing to do is say 'give me a ring if you need anything'-it is too much for the bereaved person to do, and they don't want to be intrusive. Just see something that needs doing and say 'can I help with.....? It is especially important to be supportive next month, next summer etc.

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VanillaPumpkin · 15/01/2009 13:43

Thank you so much for posting.
That is all really useful and helpful. I have some good pointers. You are right about just doing. I made a shepherds pie for my neighbour soon after her Mum died and handed it over with a bottle of wine. She would never have asked for it and said she was so grateful as it meant her DH and dc got fed for two days.
I must think about doing another one. Perhaps I could buy some throw away dishes and make something in there for them all....I won't be able to do washing as I don't know him well enough to turn up at the house and take the clothes but I could do food...

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retiredgoth2 · 15/01/2009 13:53

....Dadinsteadofmum is spot on.

Lots of people offer help. however I found out soon enough that many of them didn't really mean it.

So I didn't (and don't) ask for help. Ever. I think this a common reaction.

....but sometimes help came from unexpected quarters. One person (a mum from school who I didn't really know, and who only knew Mrs Goth peripherally) turned up repeatedly with mops and buckets and cleaned Goth Towers top to bottom. I remain grateful for this kindness.

...so a small favour of this nature will help. Most men don't want to 'talk' (I know. Strange creatures. But we just don't) but will have space made for their own thoughts by small, practical kindnesses.

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VanillaPumpkin · 15/01/2009 18:46

Thank you. I am gaining confidence to do something more direct now you have written that.

I am very sorry for your losses too.

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cathcat · 15/01/2009 21:08

There is a good list of things, written from a bereaved person's POV, OJ has posted it before. I'll try and look for it.

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cathcat · 15/01/2009 21:08

There is a good list of things, written from a bereaved person's POV, OJ has posted it before. I'll try and look for it.

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cathcat · 15/01/2009 21:13

This is it;

HOW YOU CAN HELP ME

Please talk about my loved one, even though he is gone. It is more
comforting to cry than to pretend that he never existed. I need to talk
about him, and I need to do it over and over.

Be patient with my agitation. Nothing feels secure in my world. Get
comfortable with my crying. Sadness hits me in waves, and I never know
when my tears may flow. Just sit with me in silence and hold my hand.

Don't abandon me with the excuse that you don't want to upset me. You
can't catch my grief. My world is painful, and when you are too afraid
to call me or visit or say anything, you isolate me at a time when I
most need to be cared about. If you don't know what to say, just come
over, give me a hug or touch my arm, and gently say, "I'm sorry." You
can even say, "I just don't know what to say, but I care, and want you
to know that."

Just because I look good does not mean that I feel good. Ask me how I
feel only if you really have time to find out.

I am not strong. I'm just numb. When you tell me I am strong, I feel
that you don't see me.

I will not recover. This is not a cold or the flu. I'm not sick. I'm
grieving and that's different. My grieving may only begin 6 months after
my loved one's death. Don't think that I will be over it in a year. For
I am not only grieving his death, but also the person I was when I was
with him, the life that we shared, the plans we had for watching our
children and grandchildren grow, the places we will never get to go together, and the
hopes and dreams that will never come true. My whole world has crumbled
and I will never be the same.

I will not always be grieving as intensely, but I will never forget my
loved one and rather than recover, I want to incorporate his life and
love into the rest of my life. He is a part of me and always will be,
and sometimes I will remember him with joy and other times with a tear.
Both are okay.

I don't have to accept the death. Yes, I have to understand that it has
happened and it is real, but there are some things in life that are just
not acceptable.

When you tell me what I should be doing, then I feel even more lost and
alone. I feel badly enough that my loved one is dead, so please don't
make it worse by telling me I'm not doing this right.

Please don't tell me I can find someone else or that I need to start
dating again. I'm not ready. And maybe I don't want to. And besides,
what makes you think people are replaceable? They aren't. Whoever comes
after will always be someone different.

I don't even understand what you mean when you say, "You've got to get
on with your life." My life is going on, I've been forced to take on
many new responsibilities and roles. It may not look the way you think
it should. This will take time and I will never be my old self again. So
please, just love me as I am today, and know that with your love and
support, the joy will slowly return to my life. But I will never forget
and there will always be times that I cry.

I need to know that you care about me. I need to feel your touch, your
hugs. I need you just to be with me, and I need to be with you. I need
to know you believe in me and in my ability to get through my grief in
my own way, and in my own time.

Please don't say, "Call me if you need anything." I'll never call you
because I have no idea what I need. Trying to figure out what you could
do for me takes more energy than I have. So, in advance, let me give you
some ideas:

(a) Bring food or a movie over to watch together.
(b) Send me a card on special holidays, his birthday, and the
anniversary of his death, and be sure to mention his name. You can't
make me cry. The tears are here and I will love you for giving me the
opportunity to shed them because someone cared enough about me to reach
out on this difficult day.
(c) Ask me more than once to join you at a movie or lunch or dinner. I
may so no at first or even for a while, but please don't give up on me
because somewhere down the line, I may be ready, and if you've given up
then I really will be alone.
(d) Understand how difficult it is for me to be surrounded by couples,
to walk into events alone, to go home alone, to feel out of place in the same situations where I used to feel so comfortable.

Please don't judge me now - or think that I'm behaving strangely.
Remember I'm grieving. I may even be in shock. I am afraid. I may feel
deep rage. I may even feel guilty. But above all, I hurt. I'm
experiencing a pain unlike any I've ever felt before and one that can't
be imagined by anyone who has not walked in my shoes.

Don't worry if you think I'm getting better and then suddenly I seem to
slip backward. Grief makes me behave this way at times. And please don't
tell me you know how I feel, or that it's time for me to get on with my
life. What I need now is time to grieve.

Most of all thank you for being my friend. Thank you for your patience.
Thank you for caring. Thank you for helping, for understanding. Thank
you for praying for me.

And remember in the days or years ahead, after your loss - when you need
me as I have needed you - I will understand. And then I will come and be
with you.

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VanillaPumpkin · 16/01/2009 12:43

Thank you Cathcat. I do remember reading that when OJ posted it now you have reminded me. Wise words aren't they?

I dropped off two bags full of shopping this morning (when I knew he was out). I hope it was the right thing to do. A start perhaps anyway??

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DadInsteadofMum · 17/01/2009 13:24

Ah yes - the mums mafia subtly checking up on you - we do spot it you know.

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