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To think there should be serious consequences for children who make false allergations against their teachers.

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ReallyTired Wed 09-Jul-08 17:32:40

Sometimes children make vindictive allegorations that are later proved to be false.

For example allegiations of sexual abuse where it is quite easy to prove it did not happen. It is done out of pure and utter spite, but the stress of being suspended while the allegorations are investiaged can make an innocent teacher suicidal.

I think that if a teacher is exhonerated of a such an allegoration that the child should be permamentally excluded. With teenage children I think there should be criminal charges if it can be proved beyond legal doult that they lied.

The sad thing is that with children making false allegorations out of spite is that reports of real abuse do not get listened to.

Prehaps there needs to be extensive CCTV cameras in schools to protect children from the possiblity of being abused or teachers having false allegiations made against them.

Blandmum Wed 09-Jul-08 17:33:40

Has something sparked this sweetheart? [worried emoticon]

brimfull Wed 09-Jul-08 17:42:40

totally agree with you that the child should be made to realise the seriousness of making such an allegation

ReallyTired Wed 09-Jul-08 17:46:19

Nothing has happened to me, but I know someone who is going through hell because of a false allegation against him.

The ridiculous thing is that the teacher was out on trip with a completely different group of children on the day of the alleged incident. Unless the teacher has access to a wormhole or a time machine there is no way he could have done what he is accused of.

I totally agree. I've seen a life shattered by this, it was hideous to watch and the accuser seems to have moved on happily with their life and left a metaphorical (is that the right term) car crash behind.

lulumama Wed 09-Jul-08 17:47:51

totally agree. i have friends who teach and it is a scary thing.. pupils have been known to threaten to make allegations if a teacher annoys them shock

Healthy, happy, well-adjusted children do not make false allegations. I think they need help rather than vilification - we are not talking about adults here.

Would you want a child to not come forward for fear being excluded if they are not believed. Very dangerous ground.

And mud sticks. You get all the 'there's no smoke without fire' cliches coming out. No-one seems to care afterwards what was proved or not, it just leaves a shadow over the teacher forever.

A 17yr old is a 'child' if a teacher is involved. They can be spiteful and vindictive and NOT the ones in need of protection.

TheFallenMadonna Wed 09-Jul-08 17:50:34

Difficult balancing act IMO.

Blandmum Wed 09-Jul-08 17:53:17

I know of a case where a child accused a teacher of hitting him. Parents insisted that teacher was sacked and that the police were called, as this was an assult.

Entire class backs up teacher and pointed out theat child hit teacher, not the other way around. Were the parents apologetic or abashed in any way? No, did they think that the police should be called because their teenager had assaulted someone? No

TheFallenMadonna Wed 09-Jul-08 17:57:15

Children make knee jerk comments to defend themselves and then find it very difficult to back down from them. I'm not sure they're always malicious

I'm not justifying the child's terrible actions. They are shocking and unfair and should not be tolerated. But there is no solution that could not put off a real victim from coming forward. That's my point.

One of my colleagues was off for three months earlier this year with brain injuries after being assaulted by a student. The police should always be called (and they were). The girl in question and her parents couldn't see anything wrong with what she had done either sad (very messed up family BTW)

Amphibimum Wed 09-Jul-08 18:03:51

false allegations are a terrible thing.

but to say that the (v rare) false accusations are the reason that real allegations do not get listened to is scapegoating and false.

just wanted to make that point.

Whizzz Wed 09-Jul-08 18:07:16

This is the main reason why anyone that works in a school is advised to join a union. It's a sad state of affairs really. I was also shocked at the advice not to be in a room with a pupil by yourself, always leave the classroom door open, sit nearest the door etc.

Amphibimum Wed 09-Jul-08 18:08:23

and the reason 'mud sticks' dances, is because the conviction rates of sexual crimes are so utterly ridiculously low, even for people with cast iron cases who dare to speak up, that it just cant be true that everyone cleared of these crimes has been so because they are innocent.
so, in the current climate of sexual crimes being something that is almost always gotten away with, innocent accused lose out just as much as victims. only, there are far far more victims, than innocent accused.

ReallyTired Wed 09-Jul-08 18:09:58

"One of my colleagues was off for three months earlier this year with brain injuries after being assaulted by a student. "

Gawd thats awful, I hope the girl was permamently excluded.

With false allegations a lot depends on the age of the child with how severely they should be dealt with.

I think a 17 year old teenager should be punished with possible imprisonment if it can be proved in a court of law that they diliberately set out to get a teacher suspended.

However a change of school would be more appriopiate for a younger child. Also social services should investiage whether the child is being abused outside school.

Amphibimum - Why thank you for that patronising clear and concise explanation. Being as how I do actually live in the real world I was actually already aware of that. I am also a teacher, as I said I've seen a friend's lives shattered by this (not to mention his family's) and so I still stick by what I said originally.

Amphibimum Wed 09-Jul-08 18:56:06

no idea why youre annoyed with me [baffled] stick by anything you like, no skin off my nose dear smile (patronising enough? lol)

i was making a valid point too, ta. smile

Well, it might have something to do with the 'lives being shattered' blah blah, I dunno hmm

ReallyTired Wed 09-Jul-08 18:59:26

Amphibimum,

False allegorations are extremely common you would be surprised. Thankfully allegorations that are found to be true are very rare. CRB checks do help to weed out some paedophiles.

Amphibimum Wed 09-Jul-08 19:03:49

its terrible that lives can be shattered in this way, and im not saying otherwise.

but its a total fallacy that there are anywhere near the number of false allegations as there are rapists and sexual attackers who get away scot free time and time again.

that may be irrelevant to you, but it isnt to me.

Blandmum Wed 09-Jul-08 19:18:57

Within a school, where we are monitored, checked and with other people all the time, rapes and sexual attacks are rare.

Which is not to say that they do not happen, they obviously do, but in this particular environment, I would guess that false accusations may well be more common.

Children have lied about me....not about this sort of thing I hasten to add, but they have lied.

ReallyTired Wed 09-Jul-08 19:22:22

I know of three people out of a staff of 60 who have been victims of major allegorations at some point in their career.

In a special school children are never in a room on their own as ratios are extremely high. Also staff are CRB checked and extensive references are taken out.

TheFallenMadonna Wed 09-Jul-08 19:22:57

Oh and me. And they say silly things just, well, for something to say. I turfed two boys out the the loos during a lesson once and they called me racist. I just sent them on their way with a flea in their ear, but in a different context that kind of silly comment could get people into trouble.

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