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Do not ever hit your child!

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amber3 Sun 17-Oct-04 02:06:05

This is a message to anyone who conciders spanking their children.
No matter what happens during the upbringing of a child - NEVER HIT, NEVER SPANK, NEVER SHOW OUT-OF-CONTROL BEHAVIOR; children will learn that violence solves problems if you do (monkey see, monkey do). If you hit them, and they still, for some reason look up to you, they will copy your behavior.
But spanking may also disorient them, and they are likely to disrespect you for it.
Some parents subconsciously spank to "get back" (so to speak) at their own parents, who might have hit them when they swore, or did things they didn't know better than doing...
You have to be patient and give the child reason to respect and admire you for your actions. This does not mean that you should spoil them by any means, or let them do as they please in any situation.
It is especially inhumane to spank a child for making a mistake - something you had not warned them about in advance... They should not be expected to know what you do - they don't have much life experience, and their first experiences should not include having their skin hit red by people they are supposed to respect.
You have to be able to explain and educate your child verbally - it's only human nature to show obstinacy at a young age, and it has been proven (over and over again), that such behavior cannot be spanked away.
Children must be listened to, and understood properly by their parents. They cannot be physically forced to think certain ways, and expected to grow up to be individuals with thoughts of their own.

Spanking has been banned by law in most of Europe, and since earlier this year, in Canada as well.
Are you aware that it's still OK by law (even suggested) for teachers to spank, cane and paddle kids in schools in 22 US states? There HAS to be a change to this! In Italy, this has been banned since 1865, and in Finland since 1890. The activity in the home was banned by law in Sweden in 1978.
In the US spanking at home is illegal in ONE state...
The US is a very religious country, and the bible, which hasn’t been much updated in 2000 years, suggests for people to spank their children, and for children to always accept their parent, since they “know best”…well, the world is changing, and HAS changed. A lot of people today know and UNDERSTAND that there are lots of incompetent parents, and that hitting will not solve a problem. It might seem to for the moment, but may, and will on some level, effect a child (a grown up child) psychologically in retrospect.
Circus animals are physically punished when taught tricks and "manners" - people should NOT be. People should be allowed to think, and partly learn of their own.

Parents in the US, more than other parts of the world, tend to follow certain quotes from the bible on parenting, but times are changing, and the bible is not being updated. This is a serious issue, people. Were you to move to Germany and spanked your child, you can count on being arrested for punishing a child physically. Same thing in Denmark. Same thing in Norway, Finland, Italy, Austria, Israel, Latvia, Cyprus, Canada...
Remember that there are passages in the bible that speak out AGAINST spanking as well.

Recently doctors have noticed a disease (causing an inflammation in the intestine) which strikes adults who have been abused on different degrees as children...all people are different, some psychologically stronger than others, meaning that this disease can strike adults who subconsciously bear the memory of being spanked as abusive.
Smacking a child is a very LIGH form of abuse, hitting them with a belt or a cane is a HEAVY form of abuse.
No one becomes wiser (just like that) from having their butt smacked - people learn from experience. If they are forced they will become insecure.

We must not think of our children as sinister creatures living for ruining the little piece we get in our lives after work and school. Before having entered the life of parenthood, we may have been used to getting that time for relaxing, but when entering parenthood we must accept saying goodbye to big part of that piece.
We must love our children and understand that these people are the future of both us, and our grandchildren.
If you want to be a parent you must prepare yourself for being patient and understanding - the child should not live in fear by your or anyone else's demand.

Love your children, and think of ANYTHING but hitting (thus humiliating) them when their behavior is highly improper, and you may lose your temper.
Use your imagination - punishments can be bitter-sweet. It can be fun AND educational. You can make them clean their rooms (or do some of your daily chores) when they stubbornly disobey things they SHOULD and are INCLINED to do.
I have forbidden TV, I have withdrawn allowances and toys, I have given orders on cleaning their rooms, I have asked them to clean up possible messes that have been made, at needed times I have raised my voice (without sounding threatening) to let them know I've meant business and that they may have hurt my feelings by disobeying or done something they didn't understand the consequences of, and I have always explained to my children WHY some things should be done, and WHY some things should not be done BEFORE they have had the opportunity to make a mistake. Sometimes they have done wrong out of curiosity, and then there has been an educational discussion. It is natural for children to forget things what they are being told - it is not a disorder. A child's memory and ability to pay attention evolves a lot generally around the age of 8 (depending on the nature of the person this age varies).

Sometimes children can drive you mad (I know much about this,) and to put them in line we may occasionally grab an arm in anger or frustration, but don't undress their pants and smack their rears! They are defenceless and in a process of developing all their senses - give them reason to look up to you and admire your actions!

I love my children. Two of them are grown up now. They have never been spanked, and they are doing very well. They teach me a lot, and I admire them.
One of them just had a baby girl

Last...I want to quote Boris Sidis, from a lecture on the abuse of the fear instinct in early education in Journal of Abnormal Psychology, 1919:
"As long as the child will be trained not by love, but by fear, so long will humanity live not by justice, but by force. As long as the child will be ruled by the educator’s threat and by the father’s rod, so long will mankind be dominated by the policeman’s club, by fear of jail, and by panic of invasion by armies and navies.”

(this text can be found on the educational and recommended homepage of "project NoSpank")

Here is a link to a VERY educational passage of a speech by Astrid Lindgren for parents to read: http://www.atlc.org/Resources/never_violence.php

Thank you all for your time.

Sincerely,
Proud and loving Grandma' Amber

tigermoth Sun 17-Oct-04 07:20:23

bibles and smacking.... bloss, I feel this one's for you

Hello btw. Hope you're well. I love reading your posts, but realise your time is limited and you have covered this ground before.

krocket Sun 17-Oct-04 07:28:31

oh I can't stand posts like this

tigermoth Sun 17-Oct-04 07:51:00

what, mine?

moomina Sun 17-Oct-04 08:00:59

And the point of this post is....?

tigermoth Sun 17-Oct-04 08:04:07

...to tell us all not to smack our children, I guess.

moomina Sun 17-Oct-04 08:05:24

Phew, that's lucky, tigermoth! I was just about to go after ds with a rolled-up newspaper. Now I've read this, maybe I'll think again...

krocket Sun 17-Oct-04 08:16:10

ha ha no tigermouth the original one. You know, posts that are like those silly email round robin things.

krocket Sun 17-Oct-04 08:18:43

what really pees me off is that the same thread has been started under lots of different topics.

moomina Sun 17-Oct-04 08:21:04

Me too, kr. Make the point if you must, but don't fill up my active convos with it!

tatt Sun 17-Oct-04 09:13:53

posts like this make me want to get out the rolled up newspaper - or a nice long whippy cane

misdee Sun 17-Oct-04 09:30:50

oh gawd.

SueW Sun 17-Oct-04 09:33:13

I feel sorry for people whose old and prob long-forgotten threads are being resurrected because this person has obviously done a search on their chosen topic and posted all over the place.

Hulababy Sun 17-Oct-04 09:37:42

I have contact Mumsnet to ensure that they have been made aware of these deliberate duplicate postings all of the place.

It's not the content as such that bothers me, just the fact that the exact same message appears everywhere this morning.

misdee Sun 17-Oct-04 09:43:29

the post does bother me actually. hasnt the law been changed so that smacking your child with FORCE is now against the law. but a smack on the bottom, which doesnt mark, or leave welts or bruises, is ok. and obviously you cant smack them round the head. I am trying not to smack, am finding time outs very effective with dd1 but not with dd2, but hate this whole' this is how you should be parenting' etc stuff that gets put up. At the end of the day, most parents who smack do not get the cane/slipper/belt out and repeatedly whack their child about. most people who smack only do so when they feel the situation warrents it.

ScummyMummy Sun 17-Oct-04 09:54:55

Don't worry, misdee. I think amber3's post is referring to American child-chastising practices/laws. As she says, albeit in a very annoying round-robin type way, they are quite shocking but, as you point out, they are generally very different from those in the UK. Even the English, who probably invented using canes and belts for punitive purposes, are a bit more progressive on their use these days than the majority of US states, I understand.

I know what you mean, tatt.

krocket Sun 17-Oct-04 10:00:06

TBH I wouldn't even bother to discuss this one misdee, it's just a boring, round robin load of old rubbish

Davros Sun 17-Oct-04 12:12:12

Is this the same person or type of person who posted about Calpol and then Ritalin? Wa+k~r!

bloss Sun 17-Oct-04 12:25:17

Message withdrawn

ScummyMummy Sun 17-Oct-04 12:27:18

bloss-
how are you? haven't seen you on here for yonks

zebra Sun 17-Oct-04 13:39:12

I suspect it's an American (ahem, cough) with an agenda hitting all the parenting websites with the same message. In other words, it's spam. She's hit 3 or 4 threads with the same message, all around 2am. We'll probably never hear from her again. Tosser!!!!!!!

Batters Mon 18-Oct-04 09:54:20

bloss - you have made me LOL!!!!!!!

tigermoth Tue 19-Oct-04 12:52:34

and me!

ZolaPola Tue 19-Oct-04 12:56:46

god preserve us from American pseudo-morality!
oh and humble apologies for blaspheming..

Rhubarb Tue 19-Oct-04 13:13:46

Did somebody say I must hit my child? Oh ok then, if you insist!

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