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moodster3 Mon 03-Feb-14 21:39:19

My son is four at the end of the month; he is potty trained, can feed himself, dress himself, tidy his toys and can do everything that is asked of him. The nursary has said he is very bright But he doesn't talk. He baby talks and none of it understandable except his sister's name and Mum/Dad. We had his hearing tested today and it's perfect so the expects are not sure why he isn't talking. Is anyone else's child like this?

mamababa Mon 03-Feb-14 21:49:43

Have you taken him to speech & language therapy? Around here you can self-refer.

moodster3 Mon 03-Feb-14 22:10:02

Yes, I was them who referred him to have his hearing tested to rule out any hearing difficulties that could've contributed to him not speaking. I have been using flash card and multiple apps that use picture with sounds and lots of stories with pictures and simple words and lots of exaggerated miming while talking to him. I'm awaiting on them getting back to me on what else we can try. He's so clever but we just at the moment don't understand why he's not talking.

mamababa Mon 03-Feb-14 22:39:33

Have no idea then sorry, but I am bumping hoping someone with more knowledge is here soon

moodster3 Mon 03-Feb-14 23:55:13

Thank you. :-)

naty1 Tue 04-Feb-14 11:22:47

Does DD talk for him?

moodster3 Tue 04-Feb-14 16:18:00

No , they used to when he was two but we got them to stop to encourage him to try but he only says his big sisters name who is 11 but not his brother's who is 7. Both of them spoke before age 2/3 which is why I'm not understanding why he hasa delay. He does alot of miming and sounds like he's going to play with his dinosaurs he goes roar with the action of claw hands and points upstairs. I was asked he has ever had a head injury or if I difficult birth and pregnancy.

moodster3 Tue 04-Feb-14 16:19:32

My pregnancy was straight forward and no injuries. :-/

lougle Tue 04-Feb-14 16:30:33

It must be quite stressful for you.

There are lots of positive features - the fact that your DS is developing well in every other way is fantastic.

Can he blow bubbles/raspberries, lick chocolate from around his lips, etc?

moodster3 Tue 04-Feb-14 16:55:38

Yes, other than not talking he's developed very well in his age group. Today we were at a different session and they said he's a conundrum ( not sure of spelling) as he can repeat words like a parrot but isn't using the words.She said it's as if he doesn't know the language. I'm not sure I understand her correctly or misunderstood but I know he understands what is said to him. Did she mean he doesn't recognise it in a way he can say himself ? It's a really worry for me. He's due to start school in August but as they said if he can't talk he has to stay in nursary longer. I dint mind him stayinglonger but wished iI knew why he's not verbally communicating with words.

lougle Tue 04-Feb-14 17:47:22

If he can physically say the words, but can't use them spontaneously, that's referred to as 'echolaic speech' - in other words, he can echo you, but doesn't say the words of his own volition. It's most commonly seen in Autism, but you'd expect a delay in social skills that is marked, along with the speech delay. If his hearing is good, his general development is good and his oromotor skills are good (ie. he can use his mouth to form the words), then I can see why they are finding it hard to work out what's going on.

moodster3 Tue 04-Feb-14 18:13:27

I didnt know it could have a autism link, they've never mentioned it. Do you think that's why they keep testing him in different ways? I'm hoping that just by persevering we will encourage him to want to use words to communicate with everyone. The nursary always says he's such a happy wee boy, always smiling, very sociable, very trusting. I've always said he's a people person: it's just confusing as to why he won't speak using words.

Geneticsbunny Tue 04-Feb-14 18:40:53

Hi. My DS has a speech delay but it is associated with other difficulties. Just wanted to say that it is really good that your sons comprehension is good. Might be worth asking on the special needs board if you want a bit more advice about autism. I have found that using makaton, like on something special, has really helped my sons language.

Also they can't stop your child starting school in September but it might be worth asking his nursery about getting a statement of special educational needs so he can get extra help at school.

moodster3 Tue 04-Feb-14 18:54:40

The nursary pulled me aside at beginning of term and told me I would have to fill in two forms; one for School enrollment and one for a extra year of nursary. They said it's a safety procedure. He basically has until June to be understood but I don't think that's very fair on him as I've never been in a situation where I feel pressurised where my son is concerned regarding his speech and education. The only thing I can do Is continue encouraging his language understanding and make sure he is having fun doing it. My son loves watching something special and Justin's house.

lougle Tue 04-Feb-14 19:16:00

They are not your only options if you are in the UK.

Your DS would, in my view, benefit from a Statement of Educational Needs. These are being phased out and replaced by Education, Health and Care Plans, but the process is very similar.

It's a 6 month process, to assess your DS and see what his educational needs are, how they are best met, what provision he needs and where his education should take place.

To get one, you'd need to apply to your Local Authority's SEN Officer. They would then gather some evidence, and make a decision as to whether they will assess your DS.

IF you choose to take this route, you must do it very, very, soon. This is because even if you apply today, you wouldn't get a finished plan/statement until 5th August and your DS is due to start school in September.

He could thrive at a Speech and Language Unit. He could thrive at a Mainstream School with support. It may be that he needs someone to teach him Makaton and use it consistently. It may be that he'll be best served by PECS (Picture Exchange Communication System). Someone, somewhere needs to give your boy a way to communicate beyond simply pointing and crying when someone doesn't understand him.

An extra year at Nursery is not appropriate, in my view - if his understanding is typical of his age, why should he be held back simply because he can't express himself?

It may be that he is just 'delayed' and will develop speech soon. But what would their plan be if he got to the end of next year and he didn't have speech - keep him back for another year???

You need to ask some awkward questions and push for some proper support. Just because he isn't behaviourally challenging, doesn't mean his needs should go ignored.

Just to give you an idea of how the system can work, if the child is causing them a problem:

My DD1 attended preschool at 2years 6months. By 2years 9months (with the 6week summer holiday in between!), the preschool asked to have someone 'observe her' so that she could 'have some extra attention.' The same day as the lady observed her, DD1 was given complete 1:1 support.

She had a full statement in place by 4years 1month old, and a special school place was given without a murmur.

The reason? Well the official line is that if a child has additional needs they must be identified and met. The real reason, IMO, is that DD1 was a problem for the preschool staff. She was willful, full of energy, no sense of danger and no understanding of discipline boundaries. She did what she wanted when she wanted to and there was nothing anyone could do to change it. I am almost certain that if she had been of a more passive personality, then she would have been sent to mainstream until the difference between her and her peers was so great in year 3, that she was sent to the wonderful special school she's been at since year R.

moodster3 Tue 04-Feb-14 19:26:08

Thankyou, I've never heard of those organisations before. I'm going to look into it the now and contact all relevant personnel in the morning and see what they say about it. A few mums at the nursery did say the nursery wants there kids kept longer but they can talk but aren't social and a few other surprising reasons. They all Feb birthdays. He is the only one who doesn't speak tho :-/

naty1 Tue 04-Feb-14 19:38:31

If he stayed at nursery would he have just skipped reception year

moodster3 Tue 04-Feb-14 19:51:36

The nursary keeps stressing that he is a preschooler and will be taken on tours of the school at various points until the summer holidays. I can understand what they are meaning but harassing me about his speech isn't going to change how much we are already doing with him to encourage him talking. I'm optimistic tho...

NightCircus Tue 04-Feb-14 19:51:45

Sounds like it may be a specific language disorder.
They are likely to suggest Makaton signing if he is already a good mime. This will reduce frustration and allow him to build sentences (used alongside speech).
That's the system used in something special.
They may also want to check he can hear the differences between sounds (has phonological awareness) and work on his articulation of sounds (could be dyspraxia).
www.ncb.org.uk/media/875224/earlysupportslcnfinal.pdf

sunnyfriday Tue 04-Feb-14 19:51:48

have you only been seen by Salt? I would push verx hard for a referral to a developmental paed.

NightCircus Tue 04-Feb-14 19:55:08

Yes yes to a language unit/language resourced primary. Do some googling in your area so you know what options available

Ragusa Tue 04-Feb-14 19:59:31

What sunnyfriday says. Are you in England?

DH had something similar to this - in his case it was childhood apraxia of speech from what I can gathrer. It's a difficulty planning and executing speech (not a muscular problem). He went to a speech and lang unit for a year then rejoined mainstream school. His speech is fine now.

moodster3 Tue 04-Feb-14 20:11:12

We are in Scotland. They did say that him learning sign would benefit him and I've been trying to teach him myself while we wait on that appointment as classes and groups seem very few and far between. They haven't been doing one to one with him since the initial consultation. instead they been sending me appointments to attend groups to learn from them what to do with him. I feel bumped Off to be honest... I've phoned his speech therapist many times and the receptionist says she will have her phone me but she never does. It's frustrating on that side...

moodster3 Tue 04-Feb-14 20:13:19

Yes, it's just salt I've been dealing with.

NightCircus Tue 04-Feb-14 20:21:25

It might be worth investing in a few private sessions to get you started.
This website lets you do a postcode search
http://www.helpwithtalking.com/find-a-therapist-results?page=2&search_id=82314654c3e1d5e03d929a25465463fd&params=a:2:{i:0;s:7:%22EH1%202NB%22;i:1;s:13:%22Age%20range%200-4%22;}&count=25&postcode=Eh1%202nb&age=1&disorder=0&language=0

I put Edinburgh in. From the list that came up I think the 5th on 1st page or 1st or 2nd on next page look good.

Obv you're prob not in Edinburgh! Look for ones that mention 'specific language impairment'

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