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Come hither upduffed viroids here we will hold your hand through scans, rejoice at your hairy shins and of course share your lust over Ian McShane. It's JS Grads 48!

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Lalalalalaa Sun 30-Oct-16 21:51:36

Welcome, welcome, welcome to the 48th grads thread... celebrating the success of Just Shagging in getting us viroids upduffed!

For those that don't know, a 'viroid' is from the original JSing thread 1, where someone was trying to type ladies (in reference to all the JSing ladies), but their phone decided to call us all viroids instead!

The name stuck and we've been the JSing viroids ever since.

The 47th grads thread is here

The thread we have graduated from is here in its 61st outing. WARNING: they're all a bit kerazy not to mention randy!

There is also a Just Mumming thread here for once your babies come along, or to keep up with the graduated graduates!

There is also a private facebook group (so it doesn't give the game away in your news feed!)... if you want to join to see photos of new babies etc, just ask in-thread!

Here is the stats list, please update your own spot with any updates.

Lalalalalaa Sun 30-Oct-16 21:52:34

Sorry it's late! Good luck viroids! brew

FuzzyOwl Sun 30-Oct-16 22:02:40

Thanks Lala.

I'm still not accepting that I have given birth, especially since it isn't my due date yet, so I am going to lurk on here for a while.

ChatEnOeuf Sun 30-Oct-16 22:20:23

Ooh, phew! Thanks La, was feeling all lost there for a moment.

Chat, 35
DD, 5
DS born still May '15
Cooking - 16w baby, flavour unknown for now. Seven scans in and I've not seen yet - the challenge goes on!

MyBlackCat Mon 31-Oct-16 07:38:21

Thanks la we have a new home smile I was feeling a bit lost there

MyBlackCat, 34
DC none but 1 furbaby, the love of my life grin
Cooking - 34w boy

Less than six weeks til due date, 8 more days of work, 5 more commutes - roll on next Thursday.

Did my first nct class yesterday, was good, lady that took it was a bit old school with her resources but I learnt stuff, DH definitely learnt stuff too. Other couples on course we're nice so fingers crossed some future meet ups and friendships will develop.

NameChange30 Mon 31-Oct-16 07:38:59

Thanks so much La!

The stats spreadsheet link is an old one, the latest one is here.

My stats:
Name: Name
Age: 30
EDD: 27/02/2017
DC1, baby boy!

Canters15 Mon 31-Oct-16 08:33:27

Thanks la!

Canters, age 30 (gulp! It was my birthday last week). 37+2 with a blue baby elephant and only TWO WEEKS away from meeting him! I'm so excited but cannot believe I'm about to be someone's mum.

Glad you enjoyed nct black. We have our last one tomorrow. Some lovely people there that I think I would have been friends with, but their babies are due weeks after mine and then we're off to Singapore. Oh well. Despite not planning a vaginal birth I definitely feel more prepared to look after the baby, and the course leader is very chilled, which fits with how I want to be.

MyBlackCat Mon 31-Oct-16 16:58:50

I had my 34 week midwife appointment today, I've not really taken to my usual one and today's was much nicer. I have sugar in my urine so have to go back again next Monday to get re-checked, works well as due to my commute I will have to leave work at 2.15 to make my appointment so I make that 6.5 days of work to go smile

SockQueen Mon 31-Oct-16 19:06:02

Hope you don't mind me lurking as well! Socklet is 5 weeks 3 days today, I know it's a cliche but I can't believe how quickly it's gone. He's not a squishy newborn any more, but gets more gorgeous and interactive each day. Sleep was going well but has got a bit messed up over the weekend with the clocks going back and me being careless with nap times/excursions.

Big news is that we're finally moving house on Wednesday! The packers are coming in tomorrow and then moving the following day. Considering I wanted to have moved before Socklet arrived, it's not been a speedy process, but I'm looking forward to being in our own (actually own!) place. We're also starting baby swimming on Saturday and yoga on Monday, so I'm looking forward to getting out of the house for more than a trip to Waitrose/Costa! FWIW, the latter are currently doing a very nice Toffee Apple Hot Chocolate...

Canters15 Tue 01-Nov-16 07:24:41

<heads to Costa prompto> toffee apple hot chocolate sounds like something I could get on board with!

Congrats on the new house sock. I'm sure you'll be very happy there. Glad you're finding things to do locally as well. Are you taking a full year off?

I'm definitely nesting, I've sorted so many things over the last couple of days. Also losing bits of my mucous plug now on the back of a couple of days of light bleeding, wondering if I'm going to make it to my c section date after all. I guess this is the first lesson of parenthood- rescinding control!

SockQueen Tue 01-Nov-16 19:49:43

Oooh Canters do we need to get those pompoms out?

I'm planning on having about 9 months off plus my annual leave - not sure we can afford the 3 months unpaid, and this way will mean I can go back to my current hospital for a little while to get back into the swing of things before I move onto a new setting. I've had my LTFT application approved, so I'll be going back at 60% of normal hours plus a 50% on-call slot share. Will mean I take about 5 years to complete training (I've got three years full time to go) but I'm not in a huge rush, and if we have a 2nd it'll obviously stretch things out more.

ChatEnOeuf Thu 03-Nov-16 01:15:32

Stretch it out, Sock! Not in a hurry here to complete - I have 3y WTE to go as well.

Exciting times, Canters. I've got the pompoms out!

Canters15 Thu 03-Nov-16 09:15:48

Hold those pompoms! Have been steadily losing more bits of the plug but nothing further. It probably is a bit early but I'm getting so excited to meet him!

Glad your LTFT was approved sock. God knows what will happen with my training. Not convinced GP is the right speciality for me and can see me starting something different when we return to the UK, I'll probably CCT just in time to retire!

Tried the Costa bonfire hot chocolate yesterday. I can confirm its delicious.

MyBlackCat Thu 03-Nov-16 11:43:26

Exciting canters - I'm looking forward to it all now, I have four more days of work after today - lots to do but can't wait to finish.

I may be deluded but I'm not apprehensive about the birth, everyone loves telling horror stories but I'm determined to prove them all wrong smile hypnobirthing has definitely helped my relaxed approach.

Didn't sleep well last night, a few hours awake between 2.30am and 5 but wfh today so not too bad and off tomorrow.

I don't have to take iron supplements anymore, my bowels are very grateful wink

SockQueen Thu 03-Nov-16 13:05:23

MyBlackCat - you've reminded me I never posted my birth story on here. I read the hypnobirthing book but didn't commit to it fully, but combined with my yoga breathing & visualisation, I felt pretty calm about the whole thing. Here you go:

I was booked to go in for induction on Thursday, when I'd be T+13. I rang first thing in the morning and was told to go in for 1pm, but when I arrived they were super-busy with various emergencies and several other inductions for higher-risk patients than me, so we waited a few hours and then after bumping into one of my obs reg friends, persuaded him to let us go home and come back later rather than hanging around on the ward all day. We returned later that evening, it was still hectic, but the midwives said I should stay in as they would still potentially start the induction overnight as long as there was adequate space on Labour Ward. Fortunately one of the few perks of being a member of staff was that we got a side room.

Waited up quite late still not knowing what was going to happen, then about 1am, just as we'd decided it was probably time to try to get some sleep (I hadn't slept much the night before due to nerves!) the midwife came in and said they'd got the go-ahead, so I then had to go on the monitor for a bit before starting. Interestingly, at my sweep on Sunday my cervix had been quite favourable (Bishop's 8, I'd been told it was ARM-able) but when she examined me it seemed to have regressed back to about a 4 confused so we started with Propess about 2:30. Tried to sleep again, but the noise from the monitor kept me awake for the first hour, then once that was off I started having crampy pains which weren't terrible but enough to keep me awake. Then I started to feel generally unwell and vomited a couple of times, though I wasn't sure if it was just stress or something happening/going wrong. Bear in mind that given my job, I see a lot of scenarios in obstetrics where things haven't gone to plan, so was mentally expecting something to crop up at some point!

By 7am I was really not feeling good, and the cramps were getting stronger, with very little break between them - but I'd been warned about "Propess pains" and wasn't sure if it was just that or genuine contractions. Called the midwife in and she put me on the monitor, which showed I was contracting 6-7 in 10 mins, but fortunately the CTG was fine. She then spoke to her supervisor and they decided to take the Propess out, but the pains continued, so they got the doctors to come and review me on the ward round. This took a while to happen, and I was nervous that as the contractions didn't seem particularly strong, they wouldn't be effective, so was dreading being told that nothing had happened, but turns out I was 6-7cm! The poor obs reg had to cannulate me for IV fluids, and they were debating terbutaline but thankfully decided against it, so we made our way to labour ward.

It's only about 50m down the corridor, but the midwife suggested I walk rather than go in a wheelchair - longest 50m ever! I must have had 5 contractions on the way, and of course got spotted by one of the ICU sisters, the theatre manager and a physio - so dignified! However, the walking clearly did something and my contractions were getting stronger, so once we got into my room on labour ward I was very pleased to be allowed the Entonox. I found it really useful, both as pain relief/relaxation and because it forced me to concentrate on my breathing, as my calm yoga preparations/visualisations were rapidly heading out the window and this helped me get back on track. My obstetric consultant came to see me (the one I'd seen on antenatal ward was the on-call one, though I did also know her quite well) and one of the anaesthetic consultants heard on the grapevine that I was here so dropped in as well - both wanted to know if I wanted an epidural but I'd only just started on the Entonox so didn't feel like I needed it at that point - turns out I don't think there'd have been time for it even if I had wanted one! Did end up trying to have a technical debate about why I didn't want pethidine whilst mildly floaty though!

Fairly swiftly after arriving on LW I started to feel pressure down below - this was one of the things I'd learned about when doing O&G but didn't really understand until I felt it. Got re-examined and was fully at 12:25, tried a variety of positions, but unfortunately the ones which were most comfortable were the ones where the CTG wouldn't pick up, so I kept getting moved around. They tried to put an FSE on, but it fell off. After progressing quite quickly through 1st stage, 2nd was tougher, because I was just so tired, but the midwife and DH were fantastic support, and then a random med student showed up mid-pushing to add to the cheerleading squad. There were a couple of dips in his heart rate and the senior midwife came in, so I had another Entonox-blurred discussion about "If I need an instrumental now, will it be forceps or do you think they can do a Ventouse?" However, it wasn't needed and I finally delivered at 1.41pm - as soon as he came out I looked at him and said "He's huge!" but DH, who's not really seen newborn babies before, said "Oooh, he's so tiny!" Turns out I was right - 10lb! Placenta was also enormous. I didn't have a particularly huge bump, so I was quite surprised, had been expecting 8-9lb. Miraculously despite that "only" had a 2nd degree tear, so had that repaired while having lots of skin-to-skin time.

Overall I am really pleased with how it went, and that I managed to avoid needing any kind of intervention from my anaesthetic colleagues, though I feel like I really can't claim much credit for that as it all just happened without me having much conscious input into it! I'm fully aware that having a "good" birth is so much down to luck rather than any preparation or anything I did "right," but I'm glad the jinx of being a HCP didn't get me!

NameChange30 Thu 03-Nov-16 13:52:31

Thanks so much for sharing your birth story - it's fascinating to read it from your medical point of view including all the terminology! What's Entonox, obviously a drug but is it what I've heard of as "gas and air" or something else?

SockQueen Thu 03-Nov-16 16:13:30

Yes, it's gas & air - technically speaking a 50/50 mix of oxygen and nitrous oxide. Loved it!

Canters15 Fri 04-Nov-16 07:54:11

Lovely birth story sock! I'm so impressed at you delivering a 10lber on gas and air, amazing re the tear as well. Suppose it's shape/head circ as well as weight, but great stuff, well done you.

black, I don't know why people do it. I was told an absolutely horrific birth story by someone in my last week at work, it was so awful it made me cry. The person telling me didn't know I was planning a section either- I have no idea on what planet people think traumatising a pregnant woman is an ok thing to do- one way or another the baby has to come out! Going into it with a positive mindset can only help.

It's officially ten days until I meet my baby! TEN DAYS!!

ChatEnOeuf Fri 04-Nov-16 10:37:46

Lovely birth story, Sock smile It does seem, sometimes, that while lots of people wince at 10lb babies, they get themselves out very well indeed. Littlies are the ones who have room to stick their hands in their face, or just haven't the strength to help themselves along. Good you managed to avoid too many necessary encounters with your colleagues!

Canters - what are you planning to do while overseas? I couldn't be a GP - not even when I was picking specialties and the life was better. Do you have any ideas where you'll go instead?

Last set of nights for the year complete! This is the benefit of LTFT working - my 20% missing shifts are all of the next set, so hopefully just one more set until mat leave. I'm sticking around on the unit for the first month of the next job, so some continuity has been achieved.

MyBlackCat Sun 06-Nov-16 17:22:40

I've just got back from my second and final nct day. Not sure how I feel, I was pretty relaxed about birth but now having gone through all the pain relief options I'm more certain on what I want to avoid, but scared about the what if's. Told that only 8% of first time mothers give birth on just gas and air - that was what I was hoping for but now panicked that I won't manage this - it's not exactly high is it?

Part of doing nct was to make some friends, we now have a sheet of contact details but nothing to instigate contacting each other. There was talk of heading to pub after but DH just wanted to go home and to be honest I was very tired so that's what we did. Nobody mentioned setting up a whatsapp group or anything.

It's my last week of work so if nobody has instigated any contact I may do it myself when I have a bit more time after this week.

SockQueen Sun 06-Nov-16 19:46:29

8% sounds very low - I'd have thought it was more than that! I wonder exactly what that figure is including/excluding.

I think most women hope to only use gas and air (though there's a significant minority who are keen on having everything right from the start) but everyone's pain thresholds are different, and some labours are definitely more painful than others - you just have to see how it goes and don't get too set on having things go one particular way. I was adamant I didn't want pethidine, but was open to trying pretty much everything else depending on how I was coping. As it turned out, G&A was enough for me, but that's not because I'm super tough or anything!

FuzzyOwl Mon 07-Nov-16 02:43:39

Enjoyed reading your birth story Sock. Are you an anaesthetist?

MyBlackCat I would just set up a Whatsapp group using the contacts or else message everyone and suggest a meet up. But then meeting people was the only reason I did my NCT course although several other couples said the same thing.

For my first labour I was all about having all the drugs possible to get me through. Instead I had a couple of paracetamol very early on before I started to dilate and then nothing until I was fully dilated and in theatre for an EMCS. Second labour and I didn't even manage paracetamol before being fully dilated. I was given gas and air whilst waiting for my EMCS but the contractions were almost constant by that stage and I rapidly found out that I prefer to hold my breath when in pain rather than breathe through it. I have to admit that in both labours going from contractions and wanting to push to a spinal anaesthetic and no pain was blissful!

Canters15 Mon 07-Nov-16 08:41:23

chat- not sure yet. Not planning anything for 2017 other then baby/mat leave type stuff but will look to do something after- either work or study. I really enjoyed both my psychiatry and acute medicine jobs, which makes no sense as they're the polar opposite of each other, but am planning to try and explore both a little further.

Our NCT group has been a bit slow to get going too. One of the ladies took the bull by the horns and started a what's app group, but after a day of messaging it's been dead! I expect it will get more active once the babies arrive, which as they're all due the month after me will be just in time for me to leave the country.

I'm surprised at the 8% gas and air figure too, though perhaps that includes all births (25% of which are c section) so is a higher proportion of vaginal births then it actually seems? Would imagine the majority of inductions have an epidural too though I'm basing that on anecdote!

ChatEnOeuf Mon 07-Nov-16 10:10:30

That 8% does sound low. I guess there's a few who manage with nothing, or just nonmedicinal pain relief (TENS, aromatherapy or water). A 25-30% section rate plus another 10-15% for instrumentals, most of which would be under epidural/spinal makes sense and already takes us to 40% without counting any of the normal deliveries under epidural (epidural rate is around 35-40% in our trust). Then there are opiates too...

But that's not to say you wouldn't manage - my first I had a whisper of G&A for the final couple of minutes, my second I had nothing - it totally depends on the labour and the person. I know I probably can't have an epidural, for example.

I'd definitely set up a WhatsApp group - it's lovely if you can get together before babies arrive and start to dominate the conversation!

SockQueen Mon 07-Nov-16 13:06:19

Yes, Fuzzy - it's a great job and I really like obstetric anaesthesia, which is a bit of a marmite subspecialty within the profession! As for this 8%, even with the breakdown Chat gave (I have similar figures in my head) it seems low. There are also some women who don't get on with G&A because it makes them feel sick or they don't like the dizzy feeling.

We have a Whatsapp group, lots of 3am messages! We've met up once and have our official reunion next week (which DH can't go to angry) I've also signed up for their Early Days postnatal course, though obviously that group will be different people. And I'm going to a La Leche League meeting tomorrow gulp

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