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to think this governments attitude towards disabled people and children is disgusting

(73 Posts)
itsnothingoriginal Tue 30-Jul-13 20:46:40

To say they are 'pleased' having won the case that essentially throws disabled families into a poverty situation and may lead to many losing their homes will help save the taxpayer money.

Am I missing something or is this just completely heartless?

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 30-Jul-13 20:50:52

I thought the judgement was not due until tomorrow, do you have a link please?

itsnothingoriginal Tue 30-Jul-13 20:53:39

Can't link but main headline on BBC news website..

expatinscotland Tue 30-Jul-13 20:55:34

The judgement was today.

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 30-Jul-13 20:59:32

Fuck a duck I've been on Monday all day.

littlemisssarcastic Tue 30-Jul-13 21:00:05

This govt's attitude towards anyone who relies on them for any support is disgusting.
This govt despises vulnerable people who cannot afford to wholly support themselves.

expatinscotland Tue 30-Jul-13 21:03:01

Why is the housing benefit budget so high? It doesn't take a genius to figure out but of course, the blame is laid at the feet of the tenants.

Clegg was spraffing off about how private tenants don't get extra rooms. If he had a clue he would know that private tenants on HB can rent as many rooms as the cap allows.

But what would he know? He gets all the bedrooms in some of his homes paid for by the taxpayer and he gets to keep the place for good.

Itsjustafleshwound Tue 30-Jul-13 21:03:32

What judgement was this?

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 30-Jul-13 21:04:27

However the judgement only relates to adults not to children, children with a disability that can be proven to create a "unreasonable disturbance" or safety risk to anybody expected to share with them have been exempt from the rule since it came into force.
(Granted this was announced well after the exemption for pensioners and released pedophiles was and had to go to the high court to happen but exempt none the less they are)
This is an actual formal exemption that should not be dealt with under the DHP as an additional payment but actually exempted from the rule.

BUT you have to apply for the exemption its not automatic

expatinscotland Tue 30-Jul-13 21:05:45


itsnothingoriginal Tue 30-Jul-13 21:09:00

Thanks for the link!

I was just really shocked this is being allowed to happen. I know most people agree with cuts to benefits but it just seems a step too far to me..

RhondaJean Tue 30-Jul-13 21:09:46

Hiya sock, heard this on the radio this morning and wondered what you would make of it.

HollyBerryBush Tue 30-Jul-13 21:10:17

Everything I have read about this suggests that each authority will make its own decision - therefore if you need the spare bedroom because you and your partner have to sleep separately, or space is needed for storage of medical equipment, then people won't be affected.

Or am I misled?

candycoatedwaterdrops Tue 30-Jul-13 21:11:38

YANBU. I cannot believe that the court ruled in favour of the govt. Of course there are reasons why some disabled people need a spare room FFS.

expatinscotland Tue 30-Jul-13 21:11:56

The other issue is that, if the tenants downsize to a private property, they will likely need more housing benefit as the rent is higher.

Clegg was on and on about how this will help families get into larger homes. Bullshit! Anyone age 61+ is exempt.

Itsjustafleshwound Tue 30-Jul-13 21:12:42

Just seen this.

From what I read the judgement wasn't looking at the fairness of the policy, but looking at its legality?

expatinscotland Tue 30-Jul-13 21:12:51

You are misled, Holly.

AKissIsNotAContract Tue 30-Jul-13 21:15:57

The local MP for Brighton has stated that no one in Brighton will lose their home as a result of the 'bedroom tax'. If local councils can't make their own decisions then is that incorrect?

itsnothingoriginal Tue 30-Jul-13 21:17:52

Yes it was based on legality rather than fairness and the judge did criticise the policy but it still leaves these families high and dry if their LA decides to evict them sad

Viviennemary Tue 30-Jul-13 21:17:56

Of course there are reasons why some disabled people need a spare room. But this should be done on an individual basis. And I also agree that it is unfair that over 60's are exempt. And also the rules don't apply to people who rent privately. They don't seem to be entitled to very much at all.

RhondaJean Tue 30-Jul-13 21:23:40

The government are saying local authority's can use discretionary housing payments holly. They have given £35 million pounds for them and are estimating saving £500 million per year through the policy.

Councils Will have to choose themselves who they will help out with it but it won't stretch that far.

RhondaJean Tue 30-Jul-13 21:24:05

Sorry that was for holly.

expatinscotland Tue 30-Jul-13 21:24:53

' And also the rules don't apply to people who rent privately. They don't seem to be entitled to very much at all.'

They are entitled to housing benefit according to the local authority caps. If they can find a place with spare rooms that flies under the caps, then they can get that place.

SaucyJack Tue 30-Jul-13 21:25:25

Agreed it's ridiculous that pensioners are exempt, as by and large they're the ones causing all the problems by clogging up all the family houses.

JakeBullet Tue 30-Jul-13 21:29:09

Discretionary Housing Payments are not going to stetch very far at all. Councils are going to be faced with tough decisions about who gets them and who doesn't. Only the most desperate cases will succeed in getting them.

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