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to think that the RSPCA is being totally irresponsible?

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HKT Tue 06-Oct-09 11:00:47

A lady in the town where I live has greyhouds - I think she shows them. She lives in a tiny house with a tiny garden.
A few weeks ago, she bought 8 greyhound puppies. These are kept in a shed in her garden. It's not a tiny shed, but probably about 5' x 8', IMO, not big enought to keep 8 greyhounds in.
These puppies are in the shed all day, apart from a few minutes romp around the (tiny) garden each day. The noise from them is indescribable, and the smell as you walk past makes you gag!
I've rung the RSPCA about them, along with several others, and all they say is "monitor it for a few weeks". This has already been going on for over a month.
We contacted the RSPCA, thinking that they would care that a bunch of puppies were living in squalor, bringing themselves up with barely any human contact, not having any socialisation, so in all probability, they will end up nasty dogs through no fault of their own.
The owner is a strange old woman who has had harrassment charges against her for being very unreasonable with her neighbours, so talking to her about it isn't an option.
Next step is environmental health, but AIBU to think that the RSPCA should have dealt with this, and not passed the buck (although they usually do this, so why should I be surprised and disappointed in them angry

daisy71 Tue 06-Oct-09 11:10:36

YANBU. It's a bloody disgrace. I had a similar situation a few years ago where a neighbour was keeping mountain dogs in a tiny pen. We reported her and bugger all was done. If she shows them would it be worth ringing the kennel club?

kreecherlivesupstairs Tue 06-Oct-09 11:15:45

Not at all U. Is the RSPCA the only animal welfare organisation you can contact? what about the blue cross or the local authority .

iggypiggy Tue 06-Oct-09 11:18:43

sad

The RSPCA drive me mad - but that is a separate issue...

YANBU - call the council.

ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight Tue 06-Oct-09 12:41:08

YANBU
I thought the RSPCA had been given more power by changes to legislation - why don't they use it? You know what, sadly, could be a resources issue - not enough people to investigate, much like social services where the thresholds keep going up.

PeachyTentativelyPosting Tue 06-Oct-09 12:55:49

YANBU

Last week we found an injured dog and they wouldn't come and fetch him,said 'we don't do dogs'. Vets was closed so we just ahd to gold onto him aginst tenancy rles until next day when dog warned would come.

Have you called your council dog warden?

HKT Tue 06-Oct-09 13:10:44

Council is the next step, as well as ringing the local vets. Just pissed off that in front of cameras, and for PR, the RSPCA can do no wrong, when actually, Iknow so many incidents that just prove they don't deserve the backing they get. They're completely pants!

SardineQueen Tue 06-Oct-09 13:20:15

We once rang the RSPCA about some ducks on a pond. A young dog had got in and savaged them, a few were dead but there were about 4 or 5 in a right state with wings half hanging off, really distressed, bobbing around amongst the dead ones sad

We rang the RSPCA expecting that they would come and put them out of their misery of something, but actually they just said it wasn't the sort of thing they were interested in and gave us no advice as to what we should do next.

i didn't realise that they were pretty useless generally. Their PR is very effective isn't it.

Squishabelle Tue 06-Oct-09 13:26:47

YANBU. What exactly does the RSPCA do?

PeachyTentativelyPosting Tue 06-Oct-09 13:30:22

Actually I came very close to asking them f they'd come if Is aid I had a caera crew blush

They asked if they could contact me for campaigns. yes they can, but preferably on bad days when I need someone to rant at.

LauraIngallsWilder Tue 06-Oct-09 13:31:08

I used to have a neighbour like this

Loads of dogs in the house, occasionally let out to bark themselves silly
I complained because it was obvious all was not well

By the time the rspca did something the dogs had multiplied to 93 (living in the house and shit filled basement)
One of them was giving birth while the rspca were there - she ate her puppy due to her distress shock
They were told they mustnt keep animals again

Within a few months they acquired 10 chicken houses and filled the garden with chickens instead angry

Fenrisulven Tue 06-Oct-09 13:40:50

Not a good idea to report dogs to the RSPCA. They have shot 10 gsd's with a bolt pistol.

http://www.germanshepherdrescue.co.uk/gsd-shot-by-rspca.html

And are rightly criticised for failing to help animals.

RSPCA-Animadversion
http://cheetah.webtribe.net/~animadversion/

A report to the RSPCA is usually a death sentence for an animal unless it is a pretty or expensive one that they know they can sell.

PeachyTentativelyPosting Tue 06-Oct-09 13:56:33

Ours was claimed within 12 hours by an owner.

But we ahd to go soemwhre- not tuching our vets with a bargepole after past experience, and no other sanctuary could be located.

HKT Tue 06-Oct-09 14:26:42

I was in trouble with a friend the other day, cos I commented on the RSPCA advert - offering a permanent home to your dog if you die.
I pointed out the disgusting state of our local RSPCA shelter, and asked why on earth anyone would condemn their "best friend" to a lifetime of hell - I think I also said that I would rather shoot my dog myself, rather than think it would go and live out its years in a hellhole.
She told me I had a chip on my shoulder.
If I do, it's a very tasty one

SardineQueen Tue 06-Oct-09 14:39:48

What has gone wrong with them then - why are they so useless?

Ripeberry Tue 06-Oct-09 14:46:39

Very angry at all this. Feel like cancelling my monthly £5 donation to them angry

HKT Tue 06-Oct-09 16:05:24

I don't know why they've got such a bad reputation TBH, and probably there are far more heartwarming, succesful stories than not, but the limited experience I've had with them, they're poo.
We were handed some rescued ducklings this summer (the mother was killed) I rear chicks and ducklings, but really don't feel that I can rear wild ducklings, so rang up RSPCA - 1st time, I was given a bollocking for taking in the ducklings, as the mother may have come back (I didn't take them in, but assume as the mother was dead on the road, and the LO's crowded near her, it was a pretty fair guess that she wasn't coming back)
2nd phone call, I was told that the nearest shelter to me was in Kings Lynn. That may be the case, but I live in North Yorkshire, and I wasn't prepared to drive all that way for 6 ducklings!
I ended up sorting it out myself.
I've just spoken to a friend, who found a baby owl - she couldn't praise the RSPCA enough, and she was so excited that they had a camera crew with them when they came to collect it, and she appeared in the local news - so there's a positive story, but did they only respond because they had a crew with them, or because it wasn't a run-of-the-mill animal?
Sorry, seem to have put on my cynical hat today.
<HKT toddles off to find her happy hat>

Callisto Tue 06-Oct-09 16:14:18

I have heard lots of dreadful stories about horses beinig kept in appalling conditions while the RSPCA 'monitor' the situation. In one case several ponies died of starvation before the RSPCA got off it's arse to do anything, despite many, many phone calls. They are wholly useless and I stopped supporting them the minute they started spending money campaigning to stop hunting.

HKT - please contact your local greyhound rescue - the Retired Greyhound Fund has a list of branches here:
www.retiredgreyhounds.co.uk/Branches/. They will help you with this. Good luck and let us know how you get on.

SardineQueen Tue 06-Oct-09 16:23:03

<hands HKT a big yellow hat with flowers on it, and gives her a friendly pat on the shoulder>

HKT Tue 06-Oct-09 16:36:21

Thankyou sardinequeen
<HKT skips off thread grinning like a loon>

Thankyou for the greyhound link Callisto

PeachyTentativelyPosting Tue 06-Oct-09 16:37:21

I have a friend who worked for a well nown animal rescue charity, she says they are not very good (the RSPCA), sahmereally, I thought they were OK until last week

Frrrightattendant Tue 06-Oct-09 16:44:04

The RSPB might be another option when it is ducks/birds etc. They will give you advice over the phone and send someone to collect if necessary.

Disgusted with the reports on here. sad

FuriousGeorge Tue 06-Oct-09 21:58:48

I've never had any time for the rspca.I tried to get them to rescue an abandoned dog I'd seen tied up in the middle of nowhere,but they said that they didn't get involved in that sort of thing!

They have a bad reputation around here for dumping urban foxes out in the sticks,which is downright cruel,because foxes are territorial and many urban foxes are scavengers and don't know how to hunt.A farmer we know saw a white van parked up in his gateway with cages in the back,so asked the driver what he was doing.The driver said that he was releasing foxes.The farmer protested that it was his land and what about his chickens and lambs,but the driver basically said'Well I'm from the RSPCA and there is nothing you can do about it.'He let 3 foxes go and that night all of them were in the yard,trying to get into the chicken pens,the farmer shot 2 of them there and then.
Good old RSPCA,trumpeting about the hunting ban and getting someone else to do their dirty work.They'll never get a penny from me.

1dilemma Tue 06-Oct-09 22:18:47

called them once when property developer next door went away leaving a dog in house for the weekend.

It howled all day so about 10pm I called first they accused me of being concerned about getting to sleep
I explained I have young children and can sleep through anything in my younger days I have fallen asleep standing up at a disco grin

2 days later they turned up

developer had come and got dog and gone away again (he had let it about 40 hours)

then they bombarded me with leaflets asking for money!

moosemama Tue 06-Oct-09 23:47:17

Don't get me started on the RSPCA! We are forever catching stray dogs and rescuing injured animals and learned years ago that there is no point calling them. You could try googling for local independent rescues and ask their advice, or as I think someone else said it would have to be environmental health, but then the pups might be removed to a local authority shelter with a 7 day destruction policy.

In my experience, the RSPCA never come out. Probably my most traumatic experience involving them was at a service station on the M6 a few years ago. I witnessed a tiny kitten get driven over as it was asleep on the wheel of a parked car. It was in agony with a broken back, screaming in pain and incontinent. I called the RSPCA as I couldn't remember any other numbers. They said it was 'only a feral cat' and they didn't 'get involved with feral animals' and 'had I tried the Cats Protection League?' Oh yes, of course, I carry the phone number of every CPL local branch with me whenever I travel up the motorway (they didn't have the number to give me either). I was 8 months pregnant and very hormonal at the time and the poor little mite died in my arms in screaming agony, wrapped in a blanket I had just bought for my pfb. We took him home and buried him in our garden. I did actually say to them "I bet you'd be here like a rocket if I had a bloody camera crew with me" to which their operator retorted "we don't have to respond to that kind of attitude' and promptly hung up!

Its unbelievable when they won't come round to investigate reports like yours, when I know of an experienced dog owner who had her very loved and well looked after gsd pup 'seized' by them because she had left it in the outhouse without a blanket whilst she fetched her children from school (20 mins) because he had really bad diarrhea (which was being treated by the vet) so couldn't be left in the house and all his bedding was on the line. (She didn't get him back either and the whole family was devastated.) Apparently failing to provide suitable bedding is reason enough for them to call 'animal abuse' even if it was only for 20 mins.

Imho they are a huge multi-million pound money making machine first and an animal rescue organisation second.

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