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I'm livid about this, should I complain?

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PixieOnaLeaf Thu 03-Sep-09 14:22:48

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GoAwayMrWappy Thu 03-Sep-09 14:24:09

Maybe discuss with head rather than complain?

GypsyMoth Thu 03-Sep-09 14:25:10

can you complain about a 'what if'??

i'd calmly point it out to the school that this may happen. see what they say.

BiscuitStuffer Thu 03-Sep-09 14:25:18

I would worry about doors being locked incase of failure to open for any reason.

Either way I would complain, yes.

LaurieFairyCake Thu 03-Sep-09 14:26:30

Secondary school?

if so you wouldn't believe the amount of times children complain they have started the period/have diarrhoea/need the loo now.

Teachers cannot possibly let all children out whenever they want as it would be abused.

Thunderduck Thu 03-Sep-09 14:27:05

YANBU.I'd certainly complain.

TotallyAndUtterlyPaninied Thu 03-Sep-09 14:28:03

I'd be more worried about water infection/ bad case of the shits. DC's are human, too. They do need the loo. I'd give the head a ring.

Thunderduck Thu 03-Sep-09 14:28:58

It's better that it be abused and allow people who genuinely need to go to the toilet to do so, than to deny them that.

People shouldn't have to wait to go to the toilet. It isn't healthy to have to wait for long periods before being able to do so.

branflake81 Thu 03-Sep-09 14:31:31

I think "livid" is something of an overreaction, tbh.

Tortington Thu 03-Sep-09 14:32:56

i think it warrents a chat

LaurieFairyCake Thu 03-Sep-09 14:33:05

It's 2 hours and 20 mins.

Whilst I obviously agree in principle you cannot have 1300 teenagers moving about the school during lessons - it is not possible to show favouritism and only 'believe' the ones who you think are really not lying.

How do you stop 33 pupils in a class all claiming that need the toilet during a lesson?

Lilyloo Thu 03-Sep-09 14:33:14

Haing worked in a secondary school an open policy on toilet use is unmanageable.
Uusally keys are held for toilets by staff that mean pupils can go at their discretion , maybe worth mentioning your concerns rather than 'ground for complaint' surely ?

GreensleevesFlouncedLikeAKnob Thu 03-Sep-09 14:33:18

I agree with thunderduck

I don't like this attitude of treating children as the enemy and having to have stupidly draconian restrictions in place because they will abuse any rights afforded to them

it's wrong to deny anyone the right to go to the toilet if they need to

and period-related anxiety/accidents are AWFUL for teenaged girls

Thunderduck Thu 03-Sep-09 14:34:17

We weren't restricted from going to the loo when I was in high school and it didn't seem to cause any major issues for the teachers.

Holding it in for too long can cause problems.

arolf Thu 03-Sep-09 14:34:18

I'd be more worried about the locks failing in a fire alert tbh. we had doors that were meant to release the locks when the fire alarm went off at my old workplace, and instead they all locked down, so even security passes wouldn't open them. We threatened (jokingly) to chase the guy who installed them down the corridor with a flamethrower, and the system was improved - but any automatically locking doors scare me in the case of fire alerts now.

Overmydeadbody Thu 03-Sep-09 14:34:20

I also think 'livid' is a bit of an over-reaction.

You haven't got grounds for complaint. If a girl started her period and wasn't let out then she would have grounds for complaint.

Thunderduck Thu 03-Sep-09 14:35:07

I agree about the doors Arolf. They're too much of a risk imho.

LaurieFairyCake Thu 03-Sep-09 14:35:30

DH's school has a system where they have to go to reception to get a key and only one child at a time is permitted by reception.

If they didn't all the taps would be turned on and the toilets would be blocked with paper.

Every day there is 15 children hanging around reception waiting for the key and frankly taking the piss - it's a nightmare for the reception staff.

thirtysomething Thu 03-Sep-09 14:36:06

I'd be more worried about the fire risk tbh - if the doors are locked how do the kids get out if there's a fire? How do they check no-one is locked in this block if the doors are automatically locked? Extremely dangerous. i've been locked in a secondary school recently at lunchtime it was terrifying tbh. Two teachers locked the corridors and were meant to check all the rooms were empty but forgot to check my room. I literally couldn't get out and realised I would not have been able to escape in a fire (inside classroom, no windows)

GreensleevesFlouncedLikeAKnob Thu 03-Sep-09 14:38:44

Well Laurie, it sounds like a nightmare for everybody - and most of all for a child who simply wants to use a toilet and shouldn't have to queue up at checkpoint charlie for the privilege

if you treat children like animals, don't be surprised when they act like them hmm

Thunderduck Thu 03-Sep-09 14:39:20

They have those doors in my college and the canteen doors failed to open when the fire alarm went off and this was at lunchtime so a few hundred students were trapped.
They couldn't be opened manually either,certainly not easily.

I think you have two grounds for complaints.

RumourOfAHurricane Thu 03-Sep-09 14:42:15

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LaurieFairyCake Thu 03-Sep-09 14:47:41

They are usually told they are not allowed to go during lessons. This forces them to take responsibility for going to the loo during breaks.

A very urgent request to go to the toilet is usually pretty obvious (and allowed)however they have to have the 'rule' that they need to go in break time or they will just piss about.

Surely part of growing up is learning to manage when you go to the loo? I certainly can't go to the loo during client time and I make sure I go between clients.

Most schools have this as a 'rule' - funnily enough it is extremely rare for a child to have any toilet related incidents in class (barring sn's)

Thunderduck Thu 03-Sep-09 14:51:41

I can't speak for other Mumsnetters but I can't make myself go to the loo at specific times. I can go I can sit on the loo but it doesn't mean that anything will happen.

I don't see why children should be expected to wait for over two hours. I couldn't wait that long.

I've never been in a job either where I had to wait longer than 15 or 20 minutes to go.

slug Thu 03-Sep-09 14:53:41

"I'd be more worried about water infection/ bad case of the shits." In that case, they shouldn't be at school.

This was a source of endless trouble when I was teaching. Yes, sometimes, students do need the toilet. But in most cases, they are just after an excuse to skip a bit of class/meet up with their friends/avoid being asked to do something difficult.

I always used to point out to students that if they can endure a car or train journey of an hour, they can endure a whole class without needing the loo. The fact is, we train our children fairly early in life how to control their bladders. They have time before class to go to the loo. Mostly they do not do this because they are too busy socialising. Teachers are not allowed out of class for loo breaks, so it's not like it's an impossible thing to ask.

As for the period issue. I found that if the student in question really has had a sudden onset, they are not usually going to make a song and dance about it. The girls are almost without exception incredibly discreet when making that request. This is not to say they don't try to abuse it. I once had a student who insisted on leaving class early to go to the loo. I refused and she shouted "You don't understand Miss, I have my period!" Given that she had used the exact same excuse every class she had taken with me for the previous three weeks, I suggested that what she really needed was a gynaecologist, not endless toilet trips. Funnily enough, she never tried that on one again. grin

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