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AIBU to be annoyed about music lessons

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MissSunny Sat 27-Jun-09 22:27:38

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hercules1 Sat 27-Jun-09 22:30:16

Gawd, that's expensive.

EdwardBitMe Sat 27-Jun-09 22:30:41

TBH that does sound "reasonably priced". You'd pay a lot more for private music tuition.

MaryMotherOfCheeses Sat 27-Jun-09 22:32:03

Sounds expensive.

I think ours are going to be £41 for a term. don't know the length of the lesson yet but I'd be sure it's mixed.

And we pay £7 privately for a half hour piano lesson.

FAQinglovely Sat 27-Jun-09 22:35:38

I'm with Edward - I'm on benefits (and free school meals as a result) and I think that's pretty cheap - private (out of school) you would probably pay the same (or more) for a teacher of the same standard and you'd have to either sort your own violin hire out (not always cheap) or buy your own.

Yurtgirl Sat 27-Jun-09 22:35:56

I thought school music lessons were free blush
But we havent got to that stage yet so......

EdwardBitMe Sat 27-Jun-09 22:36:18

Okay, I'll take that back.
A quick google shows you'd pay £14 for a 30 minute 1:1 or around £30 an hour, depending on location.

Yurtgirl Sat 27-Jun-09 22:37:48

Here a private out of school music lesson would be about £8 for half an hour
£20 for an hour would only be for the higher grades

So to me those prices seem very high!

FAQinglovely Sat 27-Jun-09 22:38:14

Edward - that's still cheap - and I really wouldn't rely on those figures. I'm not a "professional" teacher (in fact I haven't taught my instrument for years) - however I'd charge £20 an hour, or £12 for 1/2hr.

For a decent teacher you can EASILY be looking at £40-50 an hour, for a proper pro more.

thedolly Sat 27-Jun-09 22:41:30

You can buy second hand violins from good music shops for less than £40.

MaryMotherOfCheeses Sat 27-Jun-09 22:41:41

depends on what you call decent.

Of course a professional musician, perhaps playing in a renowned orchestra, will cost more. But for a reception age child on her first instrument, it's really not necessary.

EdwardBitMe Sat 27-Jun-09 22:43:04

I agree FAQ,
At least you know that a school music service teacher is an excellent musician AND able to teach small children.

FAQinglovely Sat 27-Jun-09 22:44:53

depends if you have a (reasonable) music shop locally - I was looking for DS1 recently in our music shop - cheapest 2nd hand one they had was £90 (and it looked and sounded absolutely AWFUL).

I wouldn't pay peanuts for a 1/2 decent teacher for my DS's instrument lessons (should they decide to follow on from their terrible (cheap) school ones). Bad teaching doesn't just produce bad sounds wink, it can produce all sorts of other physical problems especially with instruments where a certain posture is required. (my instrument you just park your arse on the seat and play grin)

FAQinglovely Sat 27-Jun-09 22:47:09

"At least you know that a school music service teacher is an excellent musician AND able to teach small children. "

LMAO - oh how I wish that were true - sadly there are many teachers that not only can't play, but teacher dreadful techniques to their children.

Not only is my poor DS1 being inflicted with such a violin teacher at school at the moment, but I had the same misfortune with my music service teachers and I tell you (first hand) if you decide to continue more seriously there is absolutely nothing more embarrassing in your early teens in having to go back to play basic Grade 1 pieces in order to get your technique sorted out grin blush

hocuspontas Sat 27-Jun-09 22:47:24

I don't think doing violin lessons because it's the only one available to you is a good idea and also it must be a hard instrument to learn at 5. All music lessons should come with a free taster imo. I'm glad lessons are free for people on benefits, I'm always banging on to the county music services how disgusting it is that the opportunity to learn an instrument isn't open to all. It's at least £120 a term at secondary shock

EdwardBitMe Sat 27-Jun-09 22:48:36

Here's our local LEA/CSA policy on music lessons.

Students receive 30 lessons throughout the course of a school year, spread over the six term year.
The minimum commitment is for two terms out of six.
The standard fee for group lessons is £86, payable three times a year in September, January and April. A registration fee of £5 is charged for all new students, and this fee is non-refundable.

Hire fees are invoiced three times a year, in September, January and April.
Violin or viola - £18

Quattrocento Sat 27-Jun-09 22:50:45

Ah. The DCs school did taster lessons for a term in any instrument. Unfortunate that yours doesn't.

Yes it is a scandal that music isn't taught properly in state primary schools, so YANBU. In your position, I'd go and pay privately. It sounds as though you are paying at the school what you would pay privately in any event.

I know a lot of parents (including me) start their children on piano but it's actually quite a hard instrument to start with. Violins sound just horrible when people start. If I had my time over I'd start them on a nice wind instrument.

FAQinglovely Sat 27-Jun-09 22:51:23

oh I missed the bit about it being free - envy.

oh and I have to share this that I found while looking for my retelling of the "violin and cello" concert from DS1's year group last year - sadly I think I must have posted in chat as the thread I was looking for has gone. However I found this quote from another thread I posted on in October last year........

"well agree about the average school age player......however IMO the same can be said about the violin grin <<<<<<<cats wailing springs to mind>>>>>

I'm just very glad that the group violin lessons that DS1 is having at school doesn't involve him bringing one home with him......."

Please don't laugh at me when I tell you that the violin is brought home these days and has been for 2 terms <<<<<<<sobs>>>> (AND I asked him if he stil wanted to learn the guitar - and if he did which one he would prefer........and he chose the violin)

MaryMotherOfCheeses Sat 27-Jun-09 22:53:10

OP, where they insist on you having a piano at home, does that exclude an electronic keyboard? DS's school are fine with that.

Also, as a first instrument I think DS finds keyboard really satisfying as he can plinky plonk around (as well as practising the pieces for his lesson) and come up with something interesting. You can't do that on a violin.

FAQinglovely Sat 27-Jun-09 22:55:27

keyboards instead of pianos no good - unless it's a proper weighted one, and even then once they get up to about Grade 3 they really need (access to) a proper one (properly weighted or wood and strings type)

EdwardBitMe Sat 27-Jun-09 22:55:44

Oh, the music teachers that come into our school really are excellent. Can't comment too much on technique (I only ever played Double Bass, and that was a looong time ago)

Jux Sat 27-Jun-09 22:57:28

We used to pay £50 a term for half hour lessons for dd, though these were with a couple of other children.

DH teaches guitar at £20 for an hour, though that's cheap for private.

It sounds like these are private lessons and not being arranged by the/through the LEA. Do you make the cheque to the LEA? I'd complain.

MaryMotherOfCheeses Sat 27-Jun-09 22:58:23

FAQ, it's all very well saying it's no good, but DS is enjoying music, leanring about it, and yes, in time we'll have to get something better. But if the alternative is for him not to play, then you go with what you've got. Don't you?

FAQinglovely Sat 27-Jun-09 22:59:27

I'm not a string player - but having gone to a specialist music school in my teens have a fairly decent idea what is good playing and technique on a violin.

Basically before Christmas got to go and see what they'd been doing in their free taster group (of 15 children in each group) lessons. The "show" started off with a "performance" by the violin and cello teacher and I nearly ran out of the door crying blush.

I'm sure there are some excellent school music service teachers around, unfortunately I've only ever come across pretty dire ones sad (for her children should they want to continue - and sad for her wallet if they show any aptitude for the instruments and I get them private lessons) wink

FAQinglovely Sat 27-Jun-09 23:02:04

Mary - tbh I don't understand why school don't offer keyboard lessons (they do exist - that's how I started off on the keyboard before progressing to proper piano playing and proper piano lessons) as so many more people have access to keyboards than pianos.

Mind you - don't know what the keyboard teaching books are like now - but when I learnt the left hand was just playing chords and I still had to learn to read the bass clef when I started the piano LOL.

IMO it's grossly unfair to teach piano to a child that only has access to a keyboard - because it's a hell of a shock when they do get to the stage of playing more complex stuff that needs a piano and they find they don't have the technique to make it work.

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