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To think that Daniel Merriweather's song Red sounds like the sort tripe spouted by emotional abusers?

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duchesse Sat 06-Jun-09 20:06:31

Lyrics here. He just sounds like a weak man, blaming his ex for everything. Is this a good role model for young girls?

QueenofSpleen Sat 06-Jun-09 20:40:12

What empowering lyrics hmm

Devendra Sat 06-Jun-09 21:21:31

I like it.. maybe his girlfriend was to blame!!!!

mrsmaidamess Sat 06-Jun-09 21:25:49

I agree, his girlfriend could have wrecked the relationship. Could you be reading too much into it?

duchesse Sat 06-Jun-09 21:28:15

Yes, but, there are always two sides to every story, and relationship breakdown is very rarely one-sided.

And the relationship having broken down, is our courtly hero making every effort to forgive, forget and move on? No, he is putting the boot into his ex and blaming her for everything, no trace of self-doubt. I ask you, does this not sound like the behaviour of a cad?

Devendra Sat 06-Jun-09 21:31:24

It is very catchy though smile

beanieb Sat 06-Jun-09 21:36:43



I think it's a great song. It's nice to hear a song which isn't about how great everything is, and actually looks at how some relationships really are when one person destroys everything by their behaviour or their insecurity.

I think you are being a bit weird if you think that just because it was written by a man then that man must be an emotional abuser. Surely it is completely possible that the relationship in the song was ruined by the emotional abuse by the other person who may well be the female in the realationship?

If it was sung by a woman I suppose you would say isn't it great that someone is singing about what shits men are.

beanieb Sat 06-Jun-09 21:40:45

and, what exactly do you think he means, then, when he sings

"No sympathy
When shouting out is all you know
Behind your lies"


"And I can’t do this by myself
All of these problems, they’re all in your head"


"You take the best things from
Then everything gets empty
That’s not a world that I need"

if these were sung by a woman would you be applauding her for getting out of what sounds like a very horrible and destructive relationship?

duchesse Sat 06-Jun-09 21:42:40

No, if it was a woman I would also think she was blaming the man far too much, with not a trace of self-doubt. Women can be emotionally abusive as well.

beanieb Sat 06-Jun-09 21:44:42

so why don't you think that the woman in the song that he is singing about has possibly been emotionally abusive towards him and that is what he has written the song about?

duchesse Sat 06-Jun-09 21:48:57

Because he is blaming everything on her, basically saying she has ruined his life, without calling his own behaviour into question in any way.

If I may quote "All of these problems, they’re all in your head" - that is a classic tactic employed by emotional abusers to grind down their victim.

beanieb Sat 06-Jun-09 21:51:46

maybe it was all her fault?
It's just a song. Maybe all of the problems were all in her head?

I don't know.

Personally I think it's wrong to assume that the song is about him being an emotional abuser.

sleepymommy Sat 06-Jun-09 21:56:26

He's written a song, possibly based on how he feels/felt at the time of a relationship breakup.
Do you really think there would be any good songs if every one wrote about how they were both to blame?!!!


It is this sort of man hating bollocks that gives true feminists a bad name.

Nahui Sat 06-Jun-09 23:24:08

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Alambil Sun 07-Jun-09 01:24:09

ah now see, I read it that SHE was the dangerous one and he's lucky to escape.

DV perps have all the issues in their heads, victims can't change to be someone else to suit their demands.... she took it, she ruined it....

the victims are never to blame - no matter what they do or say or act; dv isn't so black and white as "two sides to every story" unfortunately


"you take the best things from me
Then everything gets empty
That’s not a world that I need"

I could / have said that about my ex.

duchesse Sun 07-Jun-09 09:10:52

Yes Lewis, but at the time you were leaving that relationship, and shortly after, I'll bet you weren't filled with self-esteem, anger and self-righteousness. My betting is that in fact you were rock-bottom, and blamed yourself for everything, which is what abusers try to achieve.

Clearly there were issues in this relationship, or it would not have broken up in the first place. The man however is outwardly denying any such problems, and throwing it all back on his ex. How can there not have been problems though, if the relationship has broken up? And if she was the screwball in the relationship, surely he should be glad to be away from it, not blaming her for breaking up what he saw a perfect situation (which it evidently wasn't) and making no attempt to do anything about it?

NotmyELFtoday Sun 07-Jun-09 09:18:46

do you ever over analyze songs written by a woman?

duchesse Sun 07-Jun-09 09:21:27

Yes. grin I don't post about them on MN though. It's just this one that's particularly bugging, dressed up as it is a perfectly straightforward loss of love song. But I think it has sinister undertones.

yama Sun 07-Jun-09 09:28:05

Actually, I do think he seems a bit bitter.

He is certainly blaming her totally which isn't nice.

beanieb Sun 07-Jun-09 09:51:13

what if (and this was my interpretation of the song) the woman in the relationship was extremely posessive and jealous and every time the man went out, spoke to another woman, had contact with female friends etc, the woman in the song accused him of having affairs that he was not having? What if she continually accused him of looking at other women or cheating on her or told him he didn't love her? Perhaps that is what he means by all the problems being in her head.

There are people like this and IMHO this could be exactly what he is writing about.

Perhaps he did everything he could to stop her paranoia and deal with her insecurity but still she couldn't stop herself from constantly bringing it into the relationship which effectively made it an impossible relationship for him to be in.

I know women like this. It must be a nightmare trying to hold a relationship like that together.

NotmyELFtoday Sun 07-Jun-09 09:52:55

What if it isn't even about him and somebody he had a relationship with, but (for example) about his parents relationship?

AnyFucker Sun 07-Jun-09 12:43:09

I think you lot (apart from Nahui and Elf) need to get a life grin

PuppyMonkey Sun 07-Jun-09 12:46:24

I haven't listened/can't hear all the words to this song properly. But whenever I hear him sing: "You took something perfect and painted it red" - am I the only one who thinks: "Ooh, I like red, lovely colour." ?? hmm

lucky1979 Sun 07-Jun-09 17:18:00

I'm glad someone else has had the same reaction to me as this song, because I grumble every time it comes on the radio and everyone at work thinks I'm mad.

It' so WHINY!

You took something perfect, and painted it red, and it was all your fault and I was perfect and YOU spoilt it, wah wah wah.

We are both being unreasonable though

SillyDaisy Sun 07-Jun-09 17:22:54

what isthe painting red ment to mean though?
made him see red?

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