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to think we would be better off in, a communist society, wealth should be shared

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IAMJIGSAW Fri 22-Aug-08 13:11:01

doesn't seem right some folk have so much and some have next to nothing.

what do you think?

PuppyMonkey Fri 22-Aug-08 13:12:39

Yes. That's a brilliant idea. hmm

BTW - the use of commas in the OP is distressing me a bit.

AMumInScotland Fri 22-Aug-08 13:12:53

But would you be happy working long hours and only getting the same to live on as someone who did very little work?

ib Fri 22-Aug-08 13:13:15

It's been tried. Didn't work.

That's because someone has to generate all that wealth and no-one bothers if they aren't getting the direct benefit.

There's a lot more lazy people than altruistic hard workers, is what it comes down to.

Romy7 Fri 22-Aug-08 13:13:20

have you got a job?

traditionally, there is never a problem with this argument until you live next door to a lazy fecker and you work 12 hour shifts. capitalist, moi?

Romy7 Fri 22-Aug-08 13:13:56

a veritable cross-post fest!

SqueakyPop Fri 22-Aug-08 13:14:26

Why do you think we would be better off? Do you have any examples back up this view?

YABU

bran Fri 22-Aug-08 13:14:42

I can sort of see your point, but historically communist societies haven't worked out particularly well either have they? Pretty much every communist nation has had rich people (politically in favour) and poor people and on average people have been worse off than in capitalist countries.

EffiePerine Fri 22-Aug-08 13:14:56

well it has been tried

great theory, appalling in practice

main problem being human beings

EffiePerine Fri 22-Aug-08 13:15:23

reading list for this thread: Animal Farm wink

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Fri 22-Aug-08 13:16:50

A lovely idea in a perfect world.

But we don't (and I don't think we ever will) live in a perfect world.

Tortington Fri 22-Aug-08 13:17:03

i thnk get a job you lazy bum

your a low life tramp with no money - do something about it - or be a pleb like the rest of you commoners

OrmIrian Fri 22-Aug-08 13:18:17

In theory yes. In reality no. Human beings are selfish creatures largely and there will always be some that f*ck it up for others.

EffiePerine Fri 22-Aug-08 13:20:06

also being ambitious and working your way up to something is important for many (if not most) people

I always think the socialist state is a bit depressing

scottishmummy Fri 22-Aug-08 13:20:26

aye spot on. i work like dog to share with someone who has nothing.then we all have sweet FA?

naw i will pass on that

hopefully Fri 22-Aug-08 13:20:26

I also read once (no idea where...) that even if the wealth of the few was distributed, it wouldn't make much difference to the masses, and more people than you would imagine would be worse off than they currently are, as there's such a gulf between rich and poor.

I think the sum was something like if all the people who earned over £100,000 had their wealth redistributed, all the people who earn under £10,000 would get an extra £5 a year. or something equally silly.

harleyd Fri 22-Aug-08 13:20:49

why should i share what i work hard for with someone who does fuck all

Swedes Fri 22-Aug-08 13:23:12

As a matter of interest, how much do you personally have to put in the big Commie pot? Will you be a net drain or a net benefit?

OrmIrian Fri 22-Aug-08 13:24:04

I'd be quite happy to share what I work for. As long as I had enough and those who didn't work were unable to contribute. I'd be more worried about those in power taking more than their fair share and screwing the system so that no-one has enough.

BeHereNow Fri 22-Aug-08 13:33:20

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scottishmummy Fri 22-Aug-08 13:33:23

i already am sharing what i work for eg NI and tax contributions which is redistributed via govt to various things eg NHS,Education,roads etc

roseability Fri 22-Aug-08 13:33:48

I do think a lot of depression, low self-esteem and anxiety is caused by the capitalist society we live in.

It is true that communism has been tried and seemingly failed in other countries but if we could somehow make it work (I don't know how, i'm no political genius!) I think it would be a better way of life for everyone.

We are all very isolated as individuals and family units (thinking of mothers in particular), all striving to be better than someone else and have the next capitalist 'fix' to make life seem worth while.

I want to rebel against this kind of life in theory. Share childrearing as a community, all equal and working for each other and the common good etc etc. But in truth we are enslaved in this capitalist mindset with no way of getting out of it.

In traditional tribal communities, where I suppose communist living is most closely emulated, inhabitants seem more satisfied, fulfilled and less depressed than western people. Okay these communties have major disadvantages as well, for one women do not have the same opportunities to be educated. I know in some tribes women are beaten and dominated by men, which obviously is not ideal.

Yet some tribes live communally, happily and childrearing is cherished and appreciated so that women feel they are worthwhile and fulfilled in this task. Their babies don't cry and their toddlers don't have tantrums. They grow into adults with a role to play in the tribe which is neither better, worse or wealthier than their neighbours.

Capitalism has made childrearing difficult. There are so many examples - isolation of mothers being the main one. We have got it wrong, I have no doubt about that

Great thread BTW!

BeHereNow Fri 22-Aug-08 13:34:43

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IAMJIGSAW Fri 22-Aug-08 13:35:31

i do have a job thanks.
just doesn't seem fair some folk are rolling in money and others are starving.
although i see your point that som people are selfish and lazy

PuppyMonkey Fri 22-Aug-08 13:38:03

And what about the commas calamity?

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