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MissHH Sat 17-May-08 18:16:34

I see some people think that RF is only for little kids and believes that it is not enough room for RF seats past the babystage. That is not true.

Lots of pictures are some pictures of kids all the way up till over 6 YRS rear-facing. is some pictures of three carseats in normal familiy cars(smallest one is a VW Polo).

Dynamicnanny Sat 17-May-08 18:33:40

Are we still discussing this - I still don't think they look safe - also you won't be able to see the children and what they are upto you if we're all sat back to back - although I agree carjourneys are boring I enjoy chatting with and seeing the children when I'm in the front and their in the back.

suzi2 Sat 17-May-08 19:59:11

Ah yes, dynamicnanny, whether or not a car seat looks safe is obviously a very important thing when choosing one. And being able to see what your children are doing is much more important than their safety. hmm What bizarre logic!

Meeely2 Sat 17-May-08 20:05:08

those seats are even more enormous than i first thought - not a chance they would fit in my car dudes sorry. Will however consider them for baby 3 when we have robbed a bank gathered the money for a new bus...

ChirpyGirl Sat 17-May-08 20:12:45

But we can;t buy them here easily, they are expensive and they don't fit in all cars cos belts have to be longer (is my understanding)
So now I have massive guilt about DD's being in front facing when there is nothing I can do.

Meeely2 Sat 17-May-08 20:15:10

me too chirpy - i think we can be reassured that we are doing the best we can given what we have. I have isofix britax and as i understand (as unsafe as they may be) they are a very good make.

Iota Sat 17-May-08 20:16:20

<<heaves sigh of relief that her kids are past this stage>>

A serious question - isn't car sickness more of a problem if the child is travelling backwards?

hippipotami Sat 17-May-08 20:19:19

Okay, I get in in like a grande voyager where you can turn the actual seat (not carseat but seat that comes with the car iyswim) around.

But in a VW polo, where do the legs of a six year old go in a rearfacing seat?

Quadrophenia Sat 17-May-08 20:21:34

hippo the picture on the second link is of a vw polo

Quadrophenia Sat 17-May-08 20:23:09

I am also glad that my children are too big, however i think its great that people are raising awareness of this, the point being that they should be more readily available in the uk

FairyMum Sat 17-May-08 20:25:13

Great Link. My children are rearfacing until they are about 5ish. I don't see the problem with it at all and I don't think British children or British cars are that much different from Scandinavians. Chilling quote from the doctor about the children he sees unecessarily injured.Hippipotami, my last car was a Golf. Not a massive car at all. We had rearfacing seats no problem.

tegan Sat 17-May-08 20:43:37

We have a vectra and dh has to have the driver seat right back so he can get in as such dd1 (10) has to sit behind as there is no leg room and we can't even put a carry seat back facing behind dh as there is no room.

Meeely2 Sat 17-May-08 20:45:52

tegan, at last, someone else in my situation, however my car is smaller still than yours....

Meeely2 Sat 17-May-08 20:47:17

and perhaps my dh is bigger than yours too!!

TheDuchessOfNorksBride Sat 17-May-08 20:57:38

Interesting, I've never seen these for older children. So is this popular on the continent?

But! I'm also interested in the leg room question- nearly all the pictures show babies/toddlers. On the first link, there is a tallish boy in first picture but the leg room is a bit squashed.

There is another boy towards the end who is quite tall (with plaster on his forehead) but the picture doesn't show his legs at all (also, he is too tall for that seat as his head is above the head rest and would get no support in a crash and may even clunk heads with the person behind him, but that's just incidental). grin

Explain the legs someone please!

diplodocus Sat 17-May-08 21:02:57

I've got a rear facer in a Peogeot 206,which is obviously a very small car but with a tall driver you'd need to put it behind the passenger seat. Works fine - no car sickness and I manage to chat away quite happily to mine. Also have a mirror on rear seat headrest so I can see what she's up to!

Cadmum Sat 17-May-08 21:07:40

I missed the earlier discussion but live on the continent where I would be happy to see children in carseats full STOP.

Does anyone think that the last picture on the second link showing the child rear facing in the front seat can possibly be safe? Every car and carseat manufacturer would argue otherwise as would common sense.

There is no leg room and they will break their legs in an accident.

As for the rear facing car seat in a people-mover, this is also not legal or in accordance with the vehicle or carseat manufacturers recommendations.

(Sorry if this has already been pointed out...)

hippipotami Sat 17-May-08 21:09:07

Quattro, I saw that, but I must be missing something. When the seat is rearfacing, where do the children put their legs? Up the backrest they are facing?
Sorry, genuinly confused blush
Because even in the baby seat, my dc's feet touched the backrest. So once they were bigger, their legs would have to be bent to fit?

hippipotami Sat 17-May-08 21:12:23

Now, I have just seen the boy with the plaster on his forehead. He is way too tall for that seat, the harness straps come from down by his shoulderblades shock
If that is the alternative to forward facing in proper fitting seats then I go forward facing any day.

MissHH Sat 17-May-08 21:23:21

Some statistics(first graph showing Sweden vs GB):

To everyone who is concerned about leg rom:
A collection of expert statments:

Dynamicnanny: Looks aren't everything, it is how a seat performs in an actual crash that is important. It i possible to buy mirrors so that you can see your RF child(and the child can see you) in your rear view(is it called that?) mirror.

Meeley2:They are not so enormous as they might seem. I drive a Golf and I have a Akta Graco Duologic RF in the back and sometimes I have an Britax Two Way Elite back there as well. A Golf is NOT a huge car.

I have a friend recently turning their 2 YR old from FF to RF again. They drive a Opel Vectra. Their FF seat took up so much space that their two oldest couldn't have high back boosters. Now when the youngest is in a RF in the middle they have room for one high back booster on each side.

oliviaelanasmum Sat 17-May-08 21:27:37

My dd1 can only travel rear facing for about 5 minutes before being violently sick, so this would never work for me.

Meeely2 Sat 17-May-08 21:34:57

a golf is bigger than a peugeot 206, believe me and you probably don't have your drivers seat right back on its runners. With my two forward facing britax's (you raving about the britax rear facing, I am assuming they wouldn't make an UNsafe forward facing one) in the back there is no room in the middle for a rear facing or forward facing seat, hence with baby 3 planned we are looking at buying a new car.

How can the the seat not be as big as they look? the rear facing part of it means that the head part of the seat sticks quite a way into the footwell space of the rear seats - i don't have rear footwell space at all. I would struggle to get a slip of paper between rear seats and drivers seat.

My argument is falling on deaf ears I realise that - and I also realise for my kids to be at the safest they could be on car journeys I would buy a people carrier and rear facing seats from Sweden or wherever at the small cost of what? couple of grand perhaps? No can do, so they are not as safe as they could be, but as safe as I can afford them to be - I hope my conscience can cope with that if we are ever in a high speed crash, god forbid - but thanks for the guilt trip none-the-less.

Quadrophenia Sat 17-May-08 21:51:58

oh fgs meely don't be so melodramatic
so its wrong to share information about a possible safer way of transporting children because it makes you feel guilty.
It seems to be the people providing this information are doing so to raise awareness which could benefit everyone by such seats becoming more commonplace and therefore cheaper to buy in this has nothing to do with making you feel guilty

MissHH Sat 17-May-08 21:55:34

Chirpygirl: I know you can't but this might make the demand for RF seats more visible over here so someday it might be possible to get one without "robbing the bank".

To get some changes the word has to be spread even though some people might find the facts scaring.

In USA, Norway, Finland, Sweden and Denmark the experts recommend RF for as long as possible. People from France, Poland, Holland and Germany is reading up on the subject and wanting RF car seats.

I think the power really is in the consumers hands, but that might be difficult to see and it is way to little information on this specific area.

Iota: No, the Norwegian experts(doctors) says that very few children gets carsick because they are RF.

hippipotami: It is not an alternative placing a child car seat on those kinds of seat and turn the cars seat RF if thats what you meant? The seats isn't tested for that kind of use. And there where no six year old in the Polo, that might have been a problem yes ;) I have a soon to be three year old RF in my Golf. It is not much leg room but he doesn't complain because it does not hurt him(and believe me my son is not afraid to speak his mind ).

TheDutchessOfNorksBride: *The kid you mention with the plaster is to big and the text says so too but in Norwegian so no wonder you didn't understand that* It was the big brother trying out the seat.

Cadmum: In Sweden many experts recommends the front seat, mind you ONLY and only when the airbag is deactivated! Can you(or someone else) please explain to me what a people-mover is? I have never seen that word before. Keep in mind that this is in Scandinavia and that some of the laws might differ to those in your country.

Scandinavian facts about placing of the car seat:

The children often sits in Indian position or just with bent legs. In an accident broken legs is way easier to fix than the alternative unfortunately.

You can see many kids in that position in this American ERF gallery(the cars over there are a bit different than the European ones so most children in Europe have way more space for their legs than in the US):

hippipotami Sat 17-May-08 21:59:19

Ah okay HH, I was looking at this with my (tall) five and a half year old in mind, and could not see how she would fit.

I think it is a good idea in theory, but would need to see it in practice to fully understand.

However, my dc are nearly 9 and 5.5 so perhaps I am past this stage anyhow.

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