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It was child abuse wasn’t it?

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Nc4post99 · 25/07/2021 23:16

NC for this post.

I have a poor relationship with my mother. I’m pretty sure she abused me as a teen, emotionally and physically, i think there was neglect too.
I really could use a second opinion here, am I crazy? Being gaslit? Is what happened actually child abuse? It sounds silly but I dont know anymore. I’m waiting for some counselling to talk all this through and why despite everything I still feel horribly guilty at the thought of going NC with her.

We have limited contact but she expects a lot more and the fact that I can’t give this means I’m the worst person in the world. The reason I feel like I can’t is because of our past, and the fact there is 0 accountability from her for the hurt and pain she caused.

So the backstory: I’m pregnant with dc 2 about 6 months and I have a toddler and there is some important financial and legal paper work (entirely hers not mine) that she wants me to do for her. I’ve not background in these fields so it’s not that I will be lending my expertise, so I asked her why she wants me to do it for her and she says because it’s too stressful and she gets overwhelmed and then she blew up at me. She said how I do nothing for her, and how she tries and tries and how nothing she does is good enough. I told her I’m trying my best but it’s hard, as she abused me as a teen. She laughed in my face. It took me a long time, nearly 15 years to realise this was abuse and I didn’t deserve it. She said because I used to have tantrums and create a scene and run away sometimes on days out (I was primary school age when I did this, about 6, and I get it must have been really scary for my parents and I don’t know what I was thinking, I hardly remember) but because I did those things I deserved it because I was so difficult, it was morally justifiable. I said to her well, all of this happened not at the time but 6+ years later and if this was reported to the police now you’d be in trouble for child abuse. She said well yes now I would, but then it wasn’t child abuse, so it’s fine. But surely if it’s abuse now, it was abuse then? Even if the law and safeguarding was lacking?

(Some of the things that happened to me as a teen (12+ ) for context, verbally- she’d wish me dead often, wish I’d get cancer, wish that she terminated her pregnancy with me, accused me of killing her parents (one had a heart attack and I was asleep 50+ miles away when he died and the other cancer), I was perpetually called a disappointment and compared to my peers as to how much of a failure I was. I was regularly taunted about my weight (from primary school age) and appearance and how ugly I was. I used to go to sleep at night and pray to god that i could die in my sleep so I’d didn’t have to live like it anymore, one day she heard me and then relentlessly taunted me about being crazy, there was this song from the 60s funny farm and she’d play that and sing that. Physically the best thing I could describe would happen would be she’d fly at me in fits of rage kicking, screaming and striking me with the heels of her hands (not clenched fists) the first few times I used to fight back but it only made it go on for longer so I then used to drop to a ball and cover my head. she’d also pulled me downstairs by my hair at times, locked me outside naked in a towel in February, and scratched me to the extent I have scars 15 years later. I had anorexia and depression as a teen and no treatment was ever sought. She also accused me of having an incestuous relationship with my father when he was alive, which was unfounded and disgusting and denigrated his memory)

I also wasn’t a perfect child, I know I was challenging. Eating disorders are tough and I was lost in it for a long time. I used to challenge her opinions on things too, specifically homophobia and she hated that.


God I hope that made sense. Thanks for anyone who’s read and I do appreciate your thoughts and comments xx

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Baycitystroller · 25/07/2021 23:20

Yes it was child abuse. I’m sorry you experienced it.

Good you are seeking help. I would cut her out of your life now. 💐

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TooBigForMyBoots · 25/07/2021 23:22

Yes @Nc4post99, it was child abuse. I am so sorry that you were abused.SadFlowers

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Just10moreminutesplease · 25/07/2021 23:23

I’m so sorry OP, that sounds terrible and your mother does sound abusive.

None of it was your fault Flowers. You were a child and she behaved appallingly. There is nothing you could have done that would excuse her vileness.

It’s fantastic that you are going to have therapy to work through your past. In the meantime, I’d consider whether a relationship with your mother is in your best interests. You owe her absolutely nothing and can completely cut her out of your life if you want to.

Good luck.

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DrManhattan · 25/07/2021 23:24

Feel for you.
Cut her out. It's the best for you and your kids.

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Iggly · 25/07/2021 23:25

Absolutely child abuse.

I would strongly suggest that you walk away from her. You’ve got no obligation to keep her in your life.

Look after yourself.

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Cheeseandlobster · 25/07/2021 23:26

Absolutely abuse op. I am so sorry she is still trying to have a hold on you now Flowers

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Notashandyta · 25/07/2021 23:27

Bloody hell.

I suffered alot and you did too.
How can parents do this to their children?
You deserved better FlowersFlowers

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mammummt793 · 25/07/2021 23:28

I'm so sorry this happened to you. I think no contact is 100% warranted in this situation and I would say you should get us

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mammummt793 · 25/07/2021 23:29

Sorry post went too soon!

Sorry ... should get support as you deserve it! X

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thebeesknees123 · 25/07/2021 23:30

It definitely sounds like abuse. We do have our moments but I can't imagine being like that with my children.

Did your mother have mental health problems, at all?

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Nc4post99 · 25/07/2021 23:31

Thank you everyone! Sometimes you just need someone else to say it too.

I didn’t deserve it did I? I never got in any trouble, touched drugs, got below a b in school, went to a top Uni and even if did, it still would be wrong.

I couldn’t live with myself knowing I caused me child this much pain. But to her, I’m the villain and she’s the victim. I feel like I’m being gaslit or that I’m delusional. I’m still not sure why I can’t bring myself to NC, masochism maybe?

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mrscatmad31 · 25/07/2021 23:32

Honestly, go no contact, definitely abuse

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memberofthewedding · 25/07/2021 23:32

Yes it was abuse. Abuse does not have to be physical. It can be verbal or psychological.

When my sister was born I was very jealous (1950s) and there was no conception then about making an older child feel wanted and not left out. My parents used expressions like "got your nose pushed out" to me. Not surprisingly I was badly behaved.

One day they told me they did not want me any more and were putting me in a home. A man with a van was coming to collect me on sunday. I was absolutely convinced that this was true and I can still remember what it was like sitting in our back garden waiting for this "man" to drag me off. When I began crying my mother suggested that I beg my father to "get around the man to take some other naughty little girl" instead of me.

I was eight years old!

That was only one example and one incident. It was a good day when I didnt get a slap for something or other. In later life my parents absolutely denied that this incident had happened,

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Nc4post99 · 25/07/2021 23:32

@thebeesknees123

It definitely sounds like abuse. We do have our moments but I can't imagine being like that with my children.

Did your mother have mental health problems, at all?

Not diagnosed in the form of any actual disorder but I do feel like she must. It be effort to heal myself I’ve done reading and I do think she has narcissistic personality disorder.
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CagneyNYPD · 25/07/2021 23:35

Yes, it was child abuse. It was child abuse then not just now.

All of it was abusive. Her treatment of you was not triggered by your behaviour nor your eating disorder. Both of these were probably caused by her abuse of you.

It was abuse. You did nothing wrong. She was the adult and in control. But now you are the adult and you get to control your own life.

What you can control is not exposing your lovely babies to this. Cut her out.

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MereDintofPandiculation · 25/07/2021 23:36

But surely if it’s abuse now, it was abuse then? You and she are using different definitions. It was abuse in the everyday speech definition. It was not abuse in the the legal sense is what she is saying. And quite possibly wouldn't then have been viewed in the same way as it is now, just as corporal punishment by teachers was regarded as a perfectly acceptable, even laudable, way to maintain discipline.

But even if you take her view that it wasn't abuse at the time, it's not showing her as a person who loves you - there doesn't seem to be anything there to base a relationship on.

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SparrowNest · 25/07/2021 23:36

Yes it was abuse, and even if you had been an especially difficult child or teen (and honestly, it doesn’t sound like you were) it would still have been unjustifiable and abusive. There’s nothing a child could do that would make them deserve that treatment.

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JanFebAnyMonth · 25/07/2021 23:37

I’m so sorry those things happened to you. Have you thought about having counselling?

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adeleh · 25/07/2021 23:37

Yes it was abuse, and she would have been in trouble at the time as well. I’m so sorry. She sounds vile.

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Xmassprout · 25/07/2021 23:39

It was abuse.

The abuse was not your fault. There is nothing a child can do to warrant abuse. Many of your difficulties when you grew up will have been caused by the abuse.

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Nc4post99 · 25/07/2021 23:41

@adeleh

Yes it was abuse, and she would have been in trouble at the time as well. I’m so sorry. She sounds vile.

People at the time knew, school, friend’s parents and even a police officer as neighbors had called them once or twice. Nothing was ever done. I expect because we were a middle class family in a nice area with a nice house and she was very much involved in the local community. She must have been able to sweep it away as me lying
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MrsOrMiss · 25/07/2021 23:42

Yes it was child abuse, you're not imagining it or being sensitive.

The correct response from her when you told her it was abuse wasn't laughing in your face.

Awful women. And you're not alone, there's a lot of us about. There's a thread on mumsnet often referred to as 'Statley Homes' where you'll find support.
Flowers for you.

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Brcaml · 25/07/2021 23:42

My heart is breaking reading what u went through Flowers.That woman is a monster. I sincerely hope you get the help and support you deserve and are able to heal from what it has done to you. You deserve so much better x

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Nc4post99 · 25/07/2021 23:43

@JanFebAnyMonth

I’m so sorry those things happened to you. Have you thought about having counselling?

I’ve done some talking therapy and cbt but apparently they aren’t best suited to ‘trauma’ so I’m on the waiting list now for a psychologist.
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ClareBlue · 25/07/2021 23:43

And it was abuse then as it is now. Even in different times that would be considered abuse.
It seems common enough for parents to reinvent history when they were abusive. This seems to make it even worse for their children because they start doubting what they experienced and feel guilty for feeling bad about it.
Why some parents do this is way beyond my comprehension, but you have every right to decide how you want to interact with her now. From NC to full involvement, what ever you decide and want.

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