Advice

[Cookiesandscones]

I wasn't really sure where to put this thread

I just need a bit of advice really

I live in a private rented property the kitchen was all fitted cooker, washer, dishwasher when we moved in, anyway the element on the oven stopped working the other day, I informed the landlord he came back to me said the oven was out of warranty and how much it was going to cost me to get a new element was £30 for the element or £130 for it to be fitted, I didn't question it and paid for a new element to be sent out, one of my family members is an electrician and has been for 40 years so he said he would fit it for me because it was such a simple job. It was fitted yesterday and oven turned on and the element sparked and blew all the electrics to the oven, my family member questioned the element from the start and said he didn't think it was the right one but considering the company who made the oven sent it out he fitted it. He has said the likely hood is the cooker now needs replacing.

Would I be within my rights to tell the landlord I am not replacing the oven with the exact same one because I am paying for it and as the one thats in they don't make anymore and the next one up is more than I can afford at the moment??

If there is a better place I can out this thread I will move it to there if anyone can direct me

Thank you for reading

[FelicityPike]

If I read correctly....you ordered the new element? Your relative fitted it......you need to buy a new cooker/oven.

[Cookiesandscones]

The landlord ordered the element for me from the company that fitted the kitchen sorry I should have been more clear about that, I just paid for it

[PurpleFlower1983]

Why did you pay for it? Your landlord is responsible for this.

[PurpleFlower1983]

Repairs like this are the responsibility of the landlord.

[FelicityPike]

@Cookiesandscones

The landlord ordered the element for me from the company that fitted the kitchen sorry I should have been more clear about that, I just paid for it

You shouldn’t have paid for it, it’s not your responsibility.
Check your lease about repairs.

[Cookiesandscones]

@purpleflower1983 well I did think this but he said had the kitchen not have been fitted I would of had to bring my own oven and if that had of broke I would have had to fix/replace that at my cost anyway (he can be a bit of a knob at times) and needing the oven as quick as possible I just didn't argue and paid for it thinking it would be an over and done with job

[PurpleFlower1983]

What does it say on your tenancy agreement?

[MathsFiend]

Your mistake was agreeing that you should have paid to replace the element in the first place. The landlord should have paid for it. Now you are in a tricky position as your electrician’s work has led to the oven blowing up.

[WellIWasInTheNeighbourhoo]

What coulda woulda shoulda doesnt actually matter. The oven was fitted, and it is the landlords oven and therefore it is their responsibility to fix it.

[PurpleFlower1983]

He was wrong to tell you what he did re the kitchen. Unless it is stipulated in your tenancy agreement then he is responsible. It may be conceivable that ‘white goods’ are not included but it would be very rare for a fitted oven not to be the responsibility of the landlord.

[PurpleFlower1983]

As others have said though, it may be tricky as you will need to prove that the incorrect element damaged the oven and not your electrician. A decent landlord would just replace the oven but yours doesn’t sound decent!

[Ilovesugar]

If you end up paying for an oven I would tell the landlord you are taking it with you. If you pay for the up keep and maintenance of it

[Ilovesugar]

*if and when you moved

[Cookiesandscones]

My tenancy states that he is responsible for repairs but it doesn't actually state which repairs and I honestly don't mind buying a new oven just not the exact same one that is fitted in the kitchen because I technically know we opted out of using the people who supplied the element to fit the element that we are now responsible for what happened to the oven but I just didn't know if I could say I will buy a new oven but just not one from the kitchen company they originally used

[PurpleFlower1983]

If he tells you to buy a new one just get what you want and take it with you!

[ForTheLoveOfCatFood]

You need to speak to the letting agents.
A friend rented a flat and previous tenant left washing machine. LL said they could use it but if it broke or needed repairs as the flat was unfurnished it would be up to them to sort.
Could this be similar altho very weird tenants would need to bring their own oven

[user137425689631]

Whoa, are you always this passive? Your landlord is walking all over you and you're asking him if your spine is comfortable enough for his feet.

Landlord is responsible for repairs per the tenancy agreement. That means repairs of his property and the oven is his property. This was his responsibility not yours. The oven belongs to him not you.

[DougRossIsTheBoss]

Your landlord is a massive pisstaker
He should pay

You paid to rent it with the kitchen appliances. If you'd had to supply your own the rent would have been less. It is obviously his responsibility and he needs to pay for a new cooker.
Stand your ground.

[Cookiesandscones]

I have spoken to the letting agents to get in touch with him and they said it was ultimately down to him to decide what was best to do. I have never rented privately before and I am always worried he just ends the tenancy if I push too much, before we moved in about 2 days before he had a massive melt down over some property that he misplaced in the house and said he wasn't going to end the tenancy before it even started because, I had a decorator in and he said they had stole the property out of the house they hadn't he later found it but he said I was just letting any Tom dick and Harry in the house when I didn't even have the keys, he was letting decorator in on a morning and locking up on a night time.

That's why I tend to just get on with it, I know I shouldn't but I don't want to end up homeless with my daughter, some of the horrors I have heard from private rents makes me more passive but we were so desperate to be out of old property we moved here and he was a nice as could be at first

[Cookiesandscones]

We also had the choice at the start

1. Pay a bond and months rent up front and he would decorate the house. The walls were bare plaster, no flooring down, more plaster work needed to be done etc.
2. Don't pay a bond and a month's rent up front and we do the work with the exception of painting the walls black

We opted for number 2 so after plowing almost 3k into getting the house how we want it I also don't want to walk away from it after a year

[ForTheLoveOfCatFood]

Are you in the uk? Just because I haven’t heard the term bonds used in the uk market nor a tenancy agreement that doesn’t specify who is responsible for what and it’s also unusual to have to decorator in when you move in

[Cookiesandscones]

@fortheloveofcatfood yes I am in the UK

[Cookiesandscones]

I meant deposit I don't even know why I typed bond, he apparently was originally told he could not let it out with the state the house was in and when I first viewed it I refused it because of this reason and because the amount of rent he wanted for a house that you would essentially get from the council and pay alot less in rent. The letting agency then came back to us with the 2 option offer and a lower rent which he then put back up after the 1 year agreement was over and we had to sign to become long term tenants at that point the first was a 12 month tenancy as like a trial

[JorisBonson]

So you don't pay a deposit?

[JorisBonson]

Didn't*