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DelvingintoInsanity Tue 27-Oct-20 16:55:05

A group on facebook that I'm in.

Have never been accused of transphobia before and like to think I'm a tolerant and inclusive person. Quite socked and wondering if I am in the wrong here?

Clearly, I'm now close from being banned from the group. Just for context, it's a writing group.

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ExtremeWeatherScenarios Tue 27-Oct-20 16:56:24

You are correct. They will never accept it.

Lifeinthelastlane Tue 27-Oct-20 17:00:23

I've seen "what you learned in school biology" come up a lot. If the person disagreeing with you genuinely thinks that trans people are intersex she is being offensive to both groups simultaneously.
But there is honestly no point engaging.

allthepeoplethatcomearound Tue 27-Oct-20 17:01:08

Completely worrying that that comes from a ‘health care professional’ 🤦🏻‍♀️ The biology really is fairly straight forward

Cabinfever10 Tue 27-Oct-20 17:01:08

You are correct and most DSD people are sterile. I'm more concerned that an apparent medical professional doesn't know this but then again 2+2=5 according to some

FairFridaythe13th Tue 27-Oct-20 17:02:45

‘Healthcare professional’ my arse. I think you are ‘debating’ with a 10 year old there.

GinAtMerlottes Tue 27-Oct-20 17:03:21

Obviously not transphobia and they are talking a massive load of crap. Mix of chromosomes? What mix of chromosomes means you can give birth other than X and X? People with sex chromosome variants are sterile, almost all of the time. Having said that I would absolutely not bother to engage, you’ve said your bit clearly and there is obviously nothing else you could say to this admin person which they would accept. Just move on from the conversation.

ComDummings Tue 27-Oct-20 17:03:41

They’re talking bollocks

CaraDuneRedux Tue 27-Oct-20 17:04:05

I'm afraid being banned from the group is now inevitable. As far as I can tell writing groups are among the wokest of the woke imaginable. Bad luck, and welcome to the dark side.

PlanDeRaccordement Tue 27-Oct-20 17:04:05

It’s a religion. You can’t argue with faith based beliefs that have no grounding in biological fact. That’s why they ban people so often, they really need that echo chamber to bolster their beliefs.

BrumBoo Tue 27-Oct-20 17:04:18

Anyone who brings intersex people into their trans arguments need to be directed towards intersex groups and charities. From my experience, most intersex people are not at all impressed being brought into TRAs arguments using their bizarre idea of what biology is.

Otherwise, don't engage. So many people blur the line between sex and gender, much like any other 'beliefs vs fact' argument. It's exhausting trying to argue with uneducated numpties who refuse to acknowledge a difference.

Whatwouldscullydo Tue 27-Oct-20 17:05:09

You won't get any sense there..

Shes actually being a bit homphobic cos if she doesn't believe in sex then you cant have sexuality so she thinks gay men should date bio women etc

How does she think the babies that they are talking about get here?

OldQueen1969 Tue 27-Oct-20 17:06:19

Sympathies OP. My DP posted how much we were enjoying re-watching Black Books. The kick off because one of the writers has been involved in the trans debate was something to behold. Makes me want to beat my own brains out sometimes. We still think Black Books is funny. We're just not allowed to say it publicly.

BrumBoo Tue 27-Oct-20 17:06:41


It’s a religion. You can’t argue with faith based beliefs that have no grounding in biological fact. That’s why they ban people so often, they really need that echo chamber to bolster their beliefs.

Gender and ID politics are exactly that, a new age religion. Just as the world is moving on from the religions of old, it shows humanity just can't cope unless they have some sort of belief system that defies all logic (or gives girls and women any respect and autonomy over their own bodies).

JuliaJohnston Tue 27-Oct-20 17:08:20

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GinAtMerlottes Tue 27-Oct-20 17:11:29

I might say “you seem to be talking about intersex people? I am specifically talking about trans people. Anyway, this has been an interesting discussion, thanks”.

Because I couldn’t leave it alone.

DefinitelyPossiblyMaybe Tue 27-Oct-20 17:11:59

This intersex thing is nonsense. Sex is not a spectrum. Claiming that the rare example of an intersex human demonstrates a spectrum is akin to saying that because occasionally someone is born with six toes that the number of toes a human has is on a spectrum. They are being ridiculous but it's a faith based belief, so you are on a hiding to nothing.

ScrabApple Tue 27-Oct-20 17:15:13

YADNBU, everything is transphobic. If this thread lasts more than about three minutes before deletion I'll be amazed.
Come on over to the Feminism Boards and join the other women who are based in science, fact and reality.

Goosefoot Tue 27-Oct-20 17:16:02

I am sorry to say OP that according to the norms of the moment, many people would say you are making a transphobic statement.

GenevaL Tue 27-Oct-20 17:16:50

You are right. You can’t reason with these people though because they conflate sex with gender and think it’s transphobic to believe that male and female sexes exist. Even though they do.

VettiyaIruken Tue 27-Oct-20 17:18:27

Stating facts is not transphobia.
To carry a child you must have a womb.
Not everyone who has a womb can have a child but absolutely nobody without a womb has, can or ever could, carry a child.

The fact that this truth is 'transphobic' makes me want to thumb a lift off the ruddy planet.

DelvingintoInsanity Tue 27-Oct-20 17:20:04

Have just noticed his comment about me checking my transphobia at the door is racking up lots of likes and hearts. So, seemingly lots of people on the group agree with him. hmm I know where I'm not welcome!

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Whatsnewpussyhat Tue 27-Oct-20 17:20:12

Sexual development disorders are not proof of a 3rd sex or that there are only 2 sexes. Genitals are sexed. They are full of shit. Health professional my eye.

Menofsteel Tue 27-Oct-20 17:22:33

That person is both offensive and a fucking idiot OP. Don’t stress yourself out over them.

CaraDuneRedux Tue 27-Oct-20 17:24:25

Have just noticed his comment about me checking my transphobia at the door is racking up lots of likes and hearts.

"His." Oh it's a woke dude-bro. Quelle surprise. Does he also have a beard by any chance?

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