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year5teacher Thu 13-Aug-20 15:25:50

Just to preface, I’m not criticising individual parents. You have to do what you consider best for your child - for example if the choice was a private school with excellent dyslexia support and a state school that was notoriously bad, for example, you must make the correct judgement for your child.

Just to get that out the way so the thread isn’t flooded with “well I sent DC to private school because...”. I’m not talking about individuals, I’m talking about the system as a whole.

AIBU to believe it’s morally wrong for us as a society to allow children of higher earners to access a generally better level of education, which in turn can affect their trajectories for the rest of their lives?

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Backtoreality1 Thu 13-Aug-20 15:27:55

Nope.

AnneLovesGilbert Thu 13-Aug-20 15:29:00

Would you ban faith schools as well!

year5teacher Thu 13-Aug-20 15:30:58

AnneLovesGilbert

Would you ban faith schools as well!

I’ll be honest, I don’t know enough about them to say. I used to work in a CofE primary school on placement, but found it to be pretty alright. Other than that I don’t have a lot of experience with the differences between them and “normal” schools.

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osprey24 Thu 13-Aug-20 15:32:32

The system as a whole effects individuals, so you can't seperate the argument like that. Should we also say everybody has to live in the same size house, everybody or nobody to have expensive holidays? Everybody the same car? thats Communism and it does not work!

EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire Thu 13-Aug-20 15:33:15

If private schools were banned then well off parents would just move to where the best state schools are. So they would still end up with the better education.

savagebaggagemaster Thu 13-Aug-20 15:33:37

Would you ban private hospitals?

dwiz8 Thu 13-Aug-20 15:33:53

Yabu

Life isn't fair, people with money always end up on top in the end

Banning Independant schools only makes it worse for the middle earners tbh

GreyBow Thu 13-Aug-20 15:34:01

Same with healthcare? Everyone stuck with the NHS?

randomsabreuse Thu 13-Aug-20 15:34:27

You can't, not without banning homeschooling, or tutors ...

Toilenstripes Thu 13-Aug-20 15:34:46

What you’re suggesting makes no sense because the real high earners will send their children to European and American boarding schools. Honestly I don’t know what the solution is, but I know of many Oxbridge educated professionals who went to comprehensive schools. And I know that in the sciences your Eton or Harrow education won’t help if you don’t have the right exam results.

year5teacher Thu 13-Aug-20 15:35:07

osprey24

The system as a whole effects individuals, so you can't seperate the argument like that. Should we also say everybody has to live in the same size house, everybody or nobody to have expensive holidays? Everybody the same car? thats Communism and it does not work!

I think you can look at it as a system and recognise that it’s wrong, whilst understanding that the blame for that system doesn’t lie with individual parents who are trying to do their best for their kids.
I don’t believe we all need to live in the same size house, but I do believe that the system we have where some children have excellent opportunities and some have awful ones based on their parents money is really wrong.
Household income is the biggest contributor towards the education attainment gap.

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PotteringAlong Thu 13-Aug-20 15:36:17

So how will the state system cope with all those extra children? Because there’s no extra money - the Parents of private school children already pay their taxes. So where are you putting them and how are you funding it?

ElfDragon Thu 13-Aug-20 15:36:24

The aim shouldn’t be to abolish private schools because of the measurable difference in standards. It should instead be to ensure all children get education of he same high standard.

(And yes, I know not all private schools achieve better results/give a better education, and not all state schools manage poorer results and a lower standard of education)

AnneElliott Thu 13-Aug-20 15:36:26

I disagree. There's already selection by wealth with the catchment yo good state schools - would you ban that too? And if so how?

Isn't it Camden High for girls where all the houses in catchment cost more than £2m? So not equally accessible to low income families any more than private schools.

DS is at a state school btw so no skin in this game.

GoshHashana Thu 13-Aug-20 15:36:41

I would love for the whole private sector to fall, and for the public sector to be properly funded.

Proudboomer Thu 13-Aug-20 15:36:48

Keep private schools but ban grammar schools would be my choice.

ManxRhyme Thu 13-Aug-20 15:36:52

What about extra curricular activities?
Doing sport, music, martial arts to any significant level is expensive.
Should they be banned as not all parents can afford them?

Planetaryexplorer Thu 13-Aug-20 15:37:19

I think yabu because ultimately it will just create inequality somewhere else.
The answer is to raise the standard of state schools so that no-one feels the need to go private.

year5teacher Thu 13-Aug-20 15:37:24

savagebaggagemaster

Would you ban private hospitals?

It’s not about banning, it’s about changing the system.
I also don’t think people should be able to get better healthcare than others because of their income.
Health and education are basic rights which should not be influenced by your income, especially when being born into a certain class means that it’s less likely (not impossible!) that you’ll be able to access expensive health care and education.

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year5teacher Thu 13-Aug-20 15:37:43

Planetaryexplorer

I think yabu because ultimately it will just create inequality somewhere else.
The answer is to raise the standard of state schools so that no-one feels the need to go private.

That’s a good point.

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GrannyBags Thu 13-Aug-20 15:37:50

Surely though, fee paying schools are just part of how our society works? If you have more money you have more choice. Better housing, faster medical treatment etc etc
I’m not saying it’s morally right but I don’t think it is just an education issue.

Singalonggong Thu 13-Aug-20 15:37:58

It's a no from me. I don't like big government or nanny states that dictate what people can spend their money on. The advantage starts in the womb. A mother with less stress is an advantage to the fetus. Her diet is an advantage to her fetus. The education level of the mother is a huge advantage. Most parents with means will continue to pay for extracurricular activities and tutors when needed. Private school is a red herring in most cases. Those children would have done well anyway. I'd be more in favour of funding state schools better to have smaller classes and a richer curriculum with proper specialist teachers at younger ages. For social mobility you'd be better off making university free. I believe that was the number 1 predictor of social mobility in the last OECD paper I read.

Devlesko Thu 13-Aug-20 15:37:59

You have to do what you consider best for your child - for example if the choice was a private school with excellent dyslexia support and a state school that was notoriously bad, for example, you must make the correct judgement for your child.

Hft could we do the best if you shut the bloody schools, what a stupid thread.

InDeoEstMeaFiducia Thu 13-Aug-20 15:38:32

YABU

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